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Malckuss76 wrote:
Do monks get anything to bolster a weapon using build? As I understand it from the character creation blog Mark posted, Monks retain the first level feat allowing them to use monk weapons. do anyt other class feats or features enhance this? Thanks in advance!

That feat lets them use said weapons with any of their other feats, so in essence all their feats do.

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BishopMcQ wrote:

Mites, also known as Mitflits, are indeed in the bestiary. As are a collection of Daemons.

The original Pathfinder Core Rulebook was fairly hefty. The 2E one is 70+ pages more stuff, probably 1/4" thicker.

Close, but no - look under Gremlin. I just kept flipping pages until I saw one. :)


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Does the bestiary have rules for adding class levels to monsters? One of my biggest frustrations in the Playtest bestiary was that the humanoid threats dried up after level 4, leaving only bigger and bigger monsters. Hoping that isn't the case in the full release!


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Illrigger wrote:
BishopMcQ wrote:

Mites, also known as Mitflits, are indeed in the bestiary. As are a collection of Daemons.

The original Pathfinder Core Rulebook was fairly hefty. The 2E one is 70+ pages more stuff, probably 1/4" thicker.

Close, but no - look under Gremlin. I just kept flipping pages until I saw one. :)

I'm on p. 192. I reversed the sentence "Mitflits, also known as mites, are..." Yes?

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BishopMcQ wrote:
Illrigger wrote:
BishopMcQ wrote:

Mites, also known as Mitflits, are indeed in the bestiary. As are a collection of Daemons.

The original Pathfinder Core Rulebook was fairly hefty. The 2E one is 70+ pages more stuff, probably 1/4" thicker.

Close, but no - look under Gremlin. I just kept flipping pages until I saw one. :)
I'm on p. 192. I reversed the sentence "Mitflits, also known as mites, are..." Yes?

Correct. Sorry, I misread your post and got a little confused, thought you said they were under Daemons. :)


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Shadram - There are several humanoid monsters with class levels in the Bestiary. Hellknight Hill on a quick glance also has a couple.

I haven't seen explicit rules on leveling up monsters but I've only had the books for 45 minutes.


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I'm interested to know how much damage sneak attack does in the final version, and how much it scales.

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Could we get a little preview on Sorcerer/Bard Spontaneous heightening? The 1 per spell level mentioned in today's twitch chat didn't sound so 'spontaneous'.


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Cantrips are automatically heightened to 1/2 your level. You can choose to learn a higher level version of a low level spell and heighten it. So a Sorcerer could learn a 3rd level Fireball and a 5th level fireball, to use in either slot, but not at 4th level.

Signature spells allow you to learn a spell that can be heightened to any spell level whether you know all the in between ones. So, if you pick Fireball as your 3rd level Signature, you could heighten it anywhere from 3-9 as you level up.

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Eoni wrote:
Could we get a little preview on Sorcerer/Bard Spontaneous heightening? The 1 per spell level mentioned in today's twitch chat didn't sound so 'spontaneous'.

To add to that, you have one signature spell per level of spell you have access to, so yes, it's more than just one, but not at the beginning.

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Illrigger wrote:
Eoni wrote:
Could we get a little preview on Sorcerer/Bard Spontaneous heightening? The 1 per spell level mentioned in today's twitch chat didn't sound so 'spontaneous'.
To add to that, you have one signature spell per level of spell you have access to, so yes, it's more than just one, but not at the beginning.

If you want to be technical, you get the feature at 3rd level (since it would do literally nothing at 1st anyway) and you do get two. But unless you choose extra lower level spells to scale down, your very highest signature spell is more for later anyway.

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Mark Seifter wrote:
Illrigger wrote:
Eoni wrote:
Could we get a little preview on Sorcerer/Bard Spontaneous heightening? The 1 per spell level mentioned in today's twitch chat didn't sound so 'spontaneous'.
To add to that, you have one signature spell per level of spell you have access to, so yes, it's more than just one, but not at the beginning.
If you want to be technical, you get the feature at 3rd level (since it would do literally nothing at 1st anyway) and you do get two. But unless you choose extra lower level spells to scale down, your very highest signature spell is more for later anyway.

Heh, nice catch. I guess the guy who designed the feature would know better than the guys who have only begun to skim the 4.5 pound, 700 page tome. ;)

Glad to see you guys popping in and keeping us in line, Mark!


Did ogres get interesting new abilities in the playtest? I am about to run a bunch of them, but the playtest statblock was one of the more barren ones.

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Rek Rollington wrote:
I'm interested to know how much damage sneak attack does in the final version, and how much it scales.

At a quick glance, it's 1D6 at 1st, 5th, 11th and 17th, with at least one feat that enhances it with an additional ability. It's not an action in and of itself, but enhances any Strike, so it can be stacked with various other things like Debilitating Strike that also have feats to enhance them.

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Captain Morgan wrote:
Did ogres get interesting new abilities in the playtest? I am about to run a bunch of them, but the playtest statblock was one of the more barren ones.

There are two higher-level versions that have special abilities.


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I rolled a crit success on my Hype level!! Cannot wait!


Mark Seifter wrote:
If you want to be technical, you get the feature at 3rd level (since it would do literally nothing at 1st anyway) and you do get two. But unless you choose extra lower level spells to scale down, your very highest signature spell is more for later anyway.

"Scale down" sounds like the ability no longer assumes mono-directional "Heighten", but could work on Spells Known learned at higher than minimum castable spell level.

But I'm curious if "1 per spell level" means you must designate signature spell of each spell level (so if you want two 1st level spells as Signature Spells, you must learn one at higher spell level), or you can designate your allotment of signature spells to any spells you like? E.g, a sorceror who can cast 3rd level spells could just designate three 1st level spells as their signature spells? (without detracting from # of real 3rd level spells known)

And is it still a daily choice of designating Signature Spells?


It seems more than a few people already got hands on the books...

So, are Imperial Dragons, Pegasi, Phoenixes, and Shoggoths extant in the Bestiary?


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OOOoh, what about Black Maga? Did she make it in there?

I gotta say, if anything seems like it would TPK for where it is placed in the adventure, it's that ladymonster.


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Lucas Yew wrote:

It seems more than a few people already got hands on the books...

So, are Imperial Dragons, Pegasi, Phoenixes, and Shoggoths extant in the Bestiary?

No to the first (just Chromatics and Metallics), yes to all of the others.


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Is it too much to ask what the later feats in the "Iron Mountain Stance" chain do?


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Do PCs in general get more total feats than in the playtest?


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Do you have the 5th edition PHB? Would love to get a side by side picture.


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I have but a single question! Is Hunt Prey any different to Hunt Target? Is Hunter's Edge still a separate class feature, or has that been rolled together? If not, is there any way for Multiclass Rangers to get the benefits of Hunter's Edge?


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Illrigger wrote:

The Mitwit entry under Gremlin. There they are.

If only I had my PDF, I would have found them with a text search. ;)

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Gremlin.
Illrigger wrote:
Gremlin.

O.O

WAHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

*runs around doing a combination of Snoopy dance and Kermit arm flail*


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caps wrote:
Do PCs in general get more total feats than in the playtest?

In the playtest, casters had fewer class feats than other classes. Based on the wizard progression table that was posted, it looks like casters now get the full 11 class feats.


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Illrigger wrote:

Be ready for some sore arms after reading the CRB, it must weigh 3 pounds.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xu8yRP2DJ64mm5pV6

Yowza, what an absolute chonker! Good thing PDFs don't weigh anything. ;)

Can't wait to get my hands on these books. All the screenshots look scrumptious.


Do the serpentfolk and inevitables appear in the Bestiary? If yes, do they have new names?


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Wow! So HYPE! I'm dying to know...are there words on p.348 of the CRB? What is the 78th word?

Seriously, pretty excited. But I think I can wait as I haven't even decided where/how to buy any 2e stuff yet. Shipping to Oz - much less hype...


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Mechalibur wrote:
caps wrote:
Do PCs in general get more total feats than in the playtest?
In the playtest, casters had fewer class feats than other classes. Based on the wizard progression table that was posted, it looks like casters now get the full 11 class feats.

Yes and no. They all get feats, but all of the other casters are locked into their 1st level feat by their subclass choice: Bard Muse, Cleric Doctrine, Druid Order, and Sorcerer Bloodline. Wizards get a free choice, on top of their chances to get bonus feats depending on build choices. Universalists gain a bonus feat, and some of the Arcane Thesis options grant a bonus feat.

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Do the serpentfolk and inevitables appear in the Bestiary? If yes, do they have new names?

Neither of them appear. Inevitables are mentioned, and by that name.

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I ordered mine from Amazon - hey, I had a bunch of gift card credit to use up! :)

Anyone know when Amazon gets their stock of Core books and when they typically ship for releases like this??


Marc Radle wrote:

I ordered mine from Amazon - hey, I had a bunch of gift card credit to use up! :)

Anyone know when Amazon gets their stock of Core books and when they typically ship for releases like this??

I'm in the same boat, but with CoolStuffInc. I keep wondering if they will only ship it out after the first... :/


When I preorder from Amazon, it usually arrives on the release date. Dunno if tgat will be the case here.


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What are the mechanics for chopping off hydra heads, and can you do something similar to tear off troll limbs, or remove anyone else's specific bits? I think I've been watching too much Monster Hunter.


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Can dwarves get bonuses vs spells and spell like abilities without taking a big penalty? In the playtest they had to take a penalty to resonance to get that.


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Based on my experience, Amazon tries to provide release date delivery.


Are alchemical items still an item bonus, or are they a different type? What's the low and high bonus on a sample mutagen?

I'll probably get my book either tomorrow or the day after, but burning curiosity compels me.

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flfontes wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:

I ordered mine from Amazon - hey, I had a bunch of gift card credit to use up! :)

Anyone know when Amazon gets their stock of Core books and when they typically ship for releases like this??

I'm in the same boat, but with CoolStuffInc. I keep wondering if they will only ship it out after the first... :/

Heh, I'll be positively surprised if I'll get my books before August 8th. That's the price you pay for supporting your FLGS here at the other side of the world... *sigh* :)


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If Hag is Occult, that has some strong implications for witches down the line.

I'd be shocked if it isn't. It's the only new Bloodline (as compared to the PF1 corebook and PF2 playtest) and would round out the numbers at a minimum of two per list.

And yes, it does rather imply Witches as Occult. Which is where I've always thought they belonged anyway.

It seems we have our likely answer then DMW!

On another note:

Does that mean Undead would be divine?

Aberrant->Occult
Angelic, Demonic, Diabolic-> Divine
Draconic, Imperial -> Arcane
Fey -> Primal

The above are unlikely to change so these three:

Undead -> Divine (?)
Elemental -> Has to be Primal
Hag -> Presumed Occult (has to be pretty much)

I feel like Undead could go Arcane, Occult or Divine. The only one I'd be sure it wasn't is Primal

Mark confirmed all these on the Know Direction stream tonight. Hag is Occult, elemental is primal, and undead is divine.

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Interesting Divine outnumbers the other bloodline types by at least 2:1

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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
Interesting Divine outnumbers the other bloodline types by at least 2:1

It's actually exactly 2:1 in all cases. Still, I agree that it's a very interesting development. Not in a 'designer's intent' way, since it's just following logic for the PF1 Bloodlines that results in it, but in an 'unintended consequences' way.

I hope the Divine spell list has improved significantly to support this. It was the weakest of the four in the playtest, and I hope that's changed.


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Illrigger wrote:
The Mitwit entry under Gremlin. There they are

Yay! King Zuuga lives! :D


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AnCap Dawg wrote:
So living near Paizo means the street date doesn't apply to you? I'm confused (and jealous.)

Well I live half way around the world from Paizo in the UK and mine arrived this morning. Couldn't believe it as I was expecting it towards the end of August with shipping, so I'm just a tad chuffed at the moment.

Haven't had time to do anything but crack the CRB open and inhale the "new book" smell though because it arrived as I left for work.


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GougedEye wrote:
AnCap Dawg wrote:
So living near Paizo means the street date doesn't apply to you? I'm confused (and jealous.)

Well I live half way around the world from Paizo in the UK and mine arrived this morning. Couldn't believe it as I was expecting it towards the end of August with shipping, so I'm just a tad chuffed at the moment.

Haven't had time to do anything but crack the CRB open and inhale the "new book" smell though because it arrived as I left for work.

Exciting!! Did you pay extra for expedited shipping? (Just trying to work out if I should allow my overhyped emotions to anticipate my books in the next few days or not)


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GougedEye wrote:
AnCap Dawg wrote:
So living near Paizo means the street date doesn't apply to you? I'm confused (and jealous.)

Well I live half way around the world from Paizo in the UK and mine arrived this morning. Couldn't believe it as I was expecting it towards the end of August with shipping, so I'm just a tad chuffed at the moment.

Haven't had time to do anything but crack the CRB open and inhale the "new book" smell though because it arrived as I left for work.

Can you let me know when yours was shipped? I'm in the Channel Islands so I can expect it to take an extra 3 days longer than a UK shipment.


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Ngodrup wrote:
GougedEye wrote:
AnCap Dawg wrote:
So living near Paizo means the street date doesn't apply to you? I'm confused (and jealous.)

Well I live half way around the world from Paizo in the UK and mine arrived this morning. Couldn't believe it as I was expecting it towards the end of August with shipping, so I'm just a tad chuffed at the moment.

Haven't had time to do anything but crack the CRB open and inhale the "new book" smell though because it arrived as I left for work.

Exciting!! Did you pay extra for expedited shipping? (Just trying to work out if I should allow my overhyped emotions to anticipate my books in the next few days or not)

Nope. Just the standard stuff.

Malk_Content wrote:
Can you let me know when yours was shipped? I'm in the Channel Islands so I can expect it to take an extra 3 days longer than a UK shipment.

Not sure, but they took payment on 13 July so probably then? So 5 days to reach me which is impressive.


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*overhyped emotions achieve dangerously high-pressure explosion point* :DDD


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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
Interesting Divine outnumbers the other bloodline types by at least 2:1

It's actually exactly 2:1 in all cases. Still, I agree that it's a very interesting development. Not in a 'designer's intent' way, since it's just following logic for the PF1 Bloodlines that results in it, but in an 'unintended consequences' way.

I hope the Divine spell list has improved significantly to support this. It was the weakest of the four in the playtest, and I hope that's changed.

I'm not flowing your logic on this. There was nothing in pf1 that suggested a divine connection for the outer planar bloodlines or the undead one. Just who your ancestors were bedding, bargaining with or being experimented on by.

I doubt anyone would have batted an eye if undead had been an arcane bloodline. Just thought, 'oh, liches, right' and moved on.

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I'm impressed with changes to cantrips and spell formats in general. Having the spell lists in the spell descriptions saves a lot of wasted time flipping back and forth.


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Rek Rollington wrote:
Do you have the 5th edition PHB? Would love to get a side by side picture.

The 5E PHB is about half the size of the book. Stacking the 5E PHB and DMG, they are one cover thickness bigger than the Pathfinder 2E book.

HTD wrote:
Do the serpentfolk and inevitables appear in the Bestiary? If yes, do they have new names?

The Inevitables have joined the Aeons. I didn't see the serpentfolk at first glance through.

caps wrote:
Can dwarves get bonuses vs spells and spell like abilities without taking a big penalty? In the playtest they had to take a penalty to resonance to get that.

There's a heritage to get bonuses against Necromancy effects


One question about the bestiary - are there guidelines for monster building?

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