True Resurrection

Rules Questions

Grand Lodge

This is an odd one:

True Resurrection wrote:
Even true resurrection can’t restore to life a creature who has died of old age.


Would you rule that this means a character who died from a geriatric condition can be brought back with True Resurrection? Or would you rule that, of course if a character dies from a geriatric condition then it counts as "old age" and the character cannot be brought back with True Res?

For example, a 90-year-old dies of a heart attack. Or from falling down. Did the character die from old age? Or did the character die from a failed Fortitude Save (succumbing to the heart attack) or a failed Reflex Save (I've fallen and I can't get up.) Considering the Saving Throw has a significant penalty *because* of the character's venerable age, one could argue that the character has died of old age.

On the other hand, one could argue it's still a failed Saving Throw that killed the character -- NOT merely waiting until the character's CON score reaches Zero from age, and dies naturally!

. . . .

In game we have two applications. The first is historic NPCs. A heroic adventurer who retired 100 years ago, for example, from his life of adventuring and lived out his days as a bartender, telling tales of his exploits to new generations of travelling adventurers. Now, decades after he died from a natural heart attack after falling down in his saloon's cellar -- PCs want to cast True Res on him and enlist his help.

So he died of natural causes — a failed Ref Save falling in the cellar, followed by the failed Fort Save on the heart attack). He did not necessarily die of old age -- He still had a CON of three or four and maybe could have lived a bit longer before that CON score reached Zero on its own.

Will True Res work on this NPC?

....The second is more theoretical -- but more immediate. In ye olden days Ghosts had a special ability that made Player Characters age 1d10 X Ten Years -- a MUCH scarier attack than the lame-ass "panicked for 2d4 rounds" Frightful Moan that it has as its cheap-ass attack nowadays.

The reason this example of question True Res is theoretical is that I still use the *Real* Ghost attack and I could age a PC 1d10 Decades!

Which means my Ghost could kill the PC with magical old age, maybe. ....So the example is my Ghost makes a thirty-year-old PC age 80 years from its SU attack, making the PC 110 years old. And a few minutes later the PC dies of, um , "old age"(?) -- the 110-yr-old failing a Ref Save or Acrobatics check walking in the rough terrain of the dungeon and falling down. The PC would Not have failed if he hadn't been aged to 110 -- can the PC be brought back with True Res?

Shadow Lodge

Core Rulebook / Additional Rules / Age wrote:
When a character reaches venerable age, secretly roll his maximum age and record the result, which the player does not know. A character who reaches his maximum age dies of old age sometime during the following year.

If you die because you reached your maximum age, you can't be resurrected.

if you died for any other reason, you can.

If the gm said to you that the max of your life will be 97 year old it's don't care the natural circumstances in which you die

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

The easy way to resolve this is to ask, "Is the target at or above their maximum age?" - if yes, the resurrection magic does not work. If no, it does.

Assuming someone like the bartender even wants to come back - I mean, he already retired once while alive, he's probably not too keen on being dragged out of Heaven or wherever by a random group of young adventurers.

Grand Lodge

Thanks guys, I had not seen the ‘additional rules: age’ clause in the Core that Taja the Barbarian quoted.

The cases I bring to the Rules Forum are always tricky because *I* am the DM who has to make a ruling and really want to follow RAW as well as I can.

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