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I regularly order Pathfinder books through Indigo, but I have noticed not everything is available through Indigo. I was hoping to Order Wrath of the Righteous but only four of six parts are available. Is that an issue on Indigo's part or Paizo's? I'd like to be able to order all six parts through my regular source, ordering from paizo directly costs much more.


I couldn’t see PF2 there either yet, because that’s how I intend to buy it...


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Greatest_Ulcer wrote:
I regularly order Pathfinder books through Indigo, but I have noticed not everything is available through Indigo. I was hoping to Order Wrath of the Righteous but only four of six parts are available. Is that an issue on Indigo's part or Paizo's? I'd like to be able to order all six parts through my regular source, ordering from paizo directly costs much more.

Looks like book 6 is flat out of print, even at Paizo.com. No AP softcovers are reprinted, and Paizo has all their physical 1e products on sale to clear the warehouse for 2nd edition. I would suggest getting the ones available locally and seeing where you can find the other ones; they're only going to get scarcer from here on out.

SunKing wrote:
I couldn’t see PF2 there either yet, because that’s how I intend to buy it...

I'd be surprised if any outlet that sold 1e wouldn't sell 2e as well. They're not supposed to sell it until the street date of August 1st, though.


Joana wrote:
Greatest_Ulcer wrote:
I regularly order Pathfinder books through Indigo, but I have noticed not everything is available through Indigo. I was hoping to Order Wrath of the Righteous but only four of six parts are available. Is that an issue on Indigo's part or Paizo's? I'd like to be able to order all six parts through my regular source, ordering from paizo directly costs much more.

Looks like book 6 is flat out of print, even at Paizo.com. No AP softcovers are reprinted, and Paizo has all their physical 1e products on sale to clear the warehouse for 2nd edition. I would suggest getting the ones available locally and seeing where you can find the other ones; they're only going to get scarcer from here on out.

SunKing wrote:
I couldn’t see PF2 there either yet, because that’s how I intend to buy it...
I'd be surprised if any outlet that sold 1e wouldn't sell 2e as well. They're not supposed to sell it until the street date of August 1st, though.

Fantastic. I mean, I figured they were lying when they said they wouldn't neglect 1e with 2e on it's way, but I guess this confirms it. I wonder if they're gonna bother making pocket editions of the remaining 1e rulebooks or that's going to end after the official release of 2e. If they stop with those, I suppose I will be done supporting paizo.


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Greatest_Ulcer wrote:
Joana wrote:
Greatest_Ulcer wrote:
I regularly order Pathfinder books through Indigo, but I have noticed not everything is available through Indigo. I was hoping to Order Wrath of the Righteous but only four of six parts are available. Is that an issue on Indigo's part or Paizo's? I'd like to be able to order all six parts through my regular source, ordering from paizo directly costs much more.

Looks like book 6 is flat out of print, even at Paizo.com. No AP softcovers are reprinted, and Paizo has all their physical 1e products on sale to clear the warehouse for 2nd edition. I would suggest getting the ones available locally and seeing where you can find the other ones; they're only going to get scarcer from here on out.

SunKing wrote:
I couldn’t see PF2 there either yet, because that’s how I intend to buy it...
I'd be surprised if any outlet that sold 1e wouldn't sell 2e as well. They're not supposed to sell it until the street date of August 1st, though.
Fantastic. I mean, I figured they were lying when they said they wouldn't neglect 1e with 2e on it's way, but I guess this confirms it.

APs have never been evergreen products, even before the edition change. I say this as someone who had to hunt down used copies of RotRL and CotCT to complete my back-catalog.

Vic Wertz posted this six years ago:

Vic Wertz wrote:

As many of you know, one of the biggest issues that lead to TSR's insolvency is the proliferation of campaign settings. When they were actively selling one or two or three campaign settings to their audience, a big chunk of their audience would buy any given book they were releasing. When they were actively selling seven or eight campaign settings, only a small fraction of the audience would buy any given release.

A similar problem exists with APs, as the typical gaming group plays only one at a time. Right now, a group looking for an AP might well rule out the 3.5 ones, and the ones that have volumes out of print, so that leaves them 7 APs to consider—or, assuming quality and appeal being similar among them, a 1 in 7 chance they'll buy the current product. If we updated the 3.5 ones, and reprinted the out-of-print volumes, the odd that they'd choose the current release drop to 1 in 12.

The simple fact is that we need to sell you what we're making more than we need to sell you what we've made, and allowing things to go out of print is therefore a necessity.

And when those out-of-print volumes go for big money on eBay, that's actually helpful in that it helps establish an upward trend for the future value of a present subscription, and underlines the fact that the best time to subscribe to our lines is "as soon as possible."

In short, even if Paizo weren't changing editions, you'd have a difficult time finding hard copies of a six-year-old AP.


Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Pocket editions of first edition rule books will continue to be released, and Paizo have said they will keep these in print as long as people continue to buy them.

By the way, they never said "they wouldn't neglect 1e with 2e on it's way", in fact it was made clear that no new first edition products would be forthcoming, except to keep the rule books in print as pocket edition, as mentioned earlier.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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Only Volume 6 is sold out—your retailer should be able to procure print editions of Volumes 1 through 5 for you.

Greatest_Ulcer wrote:
Fantastic. I mean, I figured they were lying when they said they wouldn't neglect 1e with 2e on it's way, but I guess this confirms it. I wonder if they're gonna bother making pocket editions of the remaining 1e rulebooks or that's going to end after the official release of 2e. If they stop with those, I suppose I will be done supporting paizo.

To be clear, this is what we said:

Pathfinder Playtest FAQ wrote:

Q: But I don't want to change editions! I want to play Pathfinder First Edition forever and ever and ever!

A: That's awesome, and we're honestly proud to hear it. We've poured our hearts and souls into Pathfinder First Edition over the last decade, and we're thrilled that gamers are so loyal to that expression of the game. While we do not plan to release additional Pathfinder First Edition products after August 2019, we DO plan to keep paperback Pocket Editions of First Edition rulebooks in print as long as enough people are buying them, so even in the era of Pathfinder Second Edition, First Edition adherents should be able to find their preferred version of the game in print without too much trouble. Our First Edition PDF products will also remain available. We're not asking you to abandon First Edition if you don't want to, but we are asking you to help us make Second Edition a game that you want to play!

So we said we plan to keep paperback Pocket Editions of First Edition rulebooks in print as long as enough people are buying them, and we said that our First Edition PDF products will also remain available.

You can find all six Wrath of the Righteous PDFs here.

Sovereign Court

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I should still have an extra copy of City of Locusts with a broken binding (since Paizo issued me a replacement at no cost)... it's not perfect by any means, but it is technically complete. Perhaps I can arrange to get it to you somehow. ^_^

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