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So I have seen a blog post on the impossible lands that suggests Student of Perfection will be an archetype tied to the Impossible Lands region presumably from the Lost Omens book

This implies there will be one per region in this book. So what do people expect ? I think the mutterings are :

Impossible Lands: Student of Perfection

Golden Road : Living Monolith (can’t remember where this was from. It might have been Mark Seifter)

Old Cheliax : Hellknight armiger

Absalom: Pathfinder agent (i assume?)

Now these might not be “prestige” archetypes in that I think I have seen that the last two are available from level 2. So perhaps I have got mixed up

I think that leaves 6 more? What do people think ?


tqomins has a pretty accurate list but I can't remember which thread it's in. I do know that the high seas section archetype is red mantis assassin


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Lanathar wrote:

So I have seen a blog post on the impossible lands that suggests Student of Perfection will be an archetype tied to the Impossible Lands region presumably from the Lost Omens book

This implies there will be one per region in this book. So what do people expect ? I think the mutterings are :

Impossible Lands: Student of Perfection

Golden Road : Living Monolith (can’t remember where this was from. It might have been Mark Seifter)

Old Cheliax : Hellknight armiger

Absalom: Pathfinder agent (i assume?)

Now these might not be “prestige” archetypes in that I think I have seen that the last two are available from level 2. So perhaps I have got mixed up

I think that leaves 6 more? What do people think ?

They're no longer referred to as "prestige archetypes" now; just archetypes. They happen to have some prerequisites for taking the initial dedication feat, so they work like the old prestige classes did in that respect.

The following have been CONFIRMED in the Lost Omens Lands Blogs:

Absalom: Pathfinder agent

The Broken Lands: Aldori duelist

Eye of Dread: Lastwall sentry

The Golden Road: Living monolith

The High Seas: Red Mantis assassin

The Impossible Lands: Student of perfection

Not sure about what the other four regions will bring, but Mwangi Expanse is next and I'm thinking Magaambyan arcanist!


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PFSocietyInitiate wrote:
tqomins has a pretty accurate list but I can't remember which thread it's in. I do know that the high seas section archetype is red mantis assassin

HERE is the post.


If it is an arcanist archetype then that suggests these archetypes are not open to all

But I agree with your guess

Lastwall sentry has thrown me somewhat looking at the new map...


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Lanathar wrote:

If it is an arcanist archetype then that suggests these archetypes are not open to all

But I agree with your guess

Lastwall sentry has thrown me somewhat looking at the new map...

Well, I expect their role has changed somewhat from what it used to be...

;)


So the other mysteries are Saga Lands and Shining Kingdoms

I think SK might be something Eagle Knight related ?

Saga lands I am not sure . I would assume something Varisian but only Grey Maiden springs to mind and that was in the playtest...


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PFSocietyInitiate wrote:
tqomins has a pretty accurate list but I can't remember which thread it's in. I do know that the high seas section archetype is red mantis assassin

1) Absalom: Pathfinder Agent

2) Broken Lands: Aldori Duelist
3) Eye of Dread: Lastwall Sentry
4) Golden Road: Living Monolith
5) High Seas: Red Mantis Assassin
6) Impossible Lands: Student of Perfection
7) Mwangi Expanse: ?
8) Old Cheliax: Hellknight Armiger
9) Saga Lands: ?
10) Shining Kingdoms: ?

Note, however, that "prestige archetype" is not a term in PF2.

We have: (1) archetypes; (2) multiclass archetypes; (3) class archetypes. There's no need for a separate "prestige archetype" term because any necessary restriction can be achieved by how you write the feat level and prerequisites of the dedication feat.


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Lanathar wrote:

So the other mysteries are Saga Lands and Shining Kingdoms

I think SK might be something Eagle Knight related ?

Saga lands I am not sure . I would assume something Varisian but only Grey Maiden springs to mind and that was in the playtest...

It might be something like "Grey Maiden apprentice" (or what they might be called in the lore), as the "Grey Maiden" should stay higher level with prerequisites, but with an easy entry if you took the low-level one.

The Lost Omen Character Guide product page says:
Quote:
[...] and presents 10 new archetypes to allow characters of any class to participate in the world’s most notable organizations, from the adventurous Pathfinder Society to the rabble -rousing Firebrands to the magical masters of the Magaambya!

>10 archetypes

>10 regions with one archetype each in the Lost Omen World Guide

I would say it might be very probable that many of these will be "enhanced" version of the ones in LOWG, like, Full Hellknight, Full Grey Maiden (PURE SPECULATION), Full Pathfinder, Full Last Wall knight, etc.

But Grey Maiden might end up making for too many "Armored Knight" archetype... Maybe a Varisian Tattoo related archetype?


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Elfteiroh wrote:
Lanathar wrote:
Saga lands I am not sure . I would assume something Varisian but only Grey Maiden springs to mind and that was in the playtest...

It might be something like "Grey Maiden apprentice" (or what they might be called in the lore), as the "Grey Maiden" should stay higher level with prerequisites, but with an easy entry if you took the low-level one.

The Lost Omen Character Guide product page says:
Quote:
[...] and presents 10 new archetypes to allow characters of any class to participate in the world’s most notable organizations, from the adventurous Pathfinder Society to the rabble -rousing Firebrands to the magical masters of the Magaambya!

>10 archetypes

>10 regions with one archetype each in the Lost Omen World Guide

I would say it might be very probable that many of these will be "enhanced" version of the ones in LOWG, like, Full Hellknight, Full Grey Maiden (PURE SPECULATION), Full Pathfinder, Full Last Wall knight, etc.

Oh, I hadn't seen the Character Guide description yet. I'd say that makes it very, very likely that we'll have the Arcanist for the Expanse, given that we already see the Pathfinders and the Hellknights integrated across the books

I'm not familiar enough with Golarion lore to know what the Firebrands is a reference to.


So that potentially implies a rabble rouser for the shining lands or the saga lands ? I am drawing a blank here


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So many choices for the Sagalands. Gray Maiden, Harrower, Mystery Cultist, Bloat Mage, Winter Witch, Tattooed Mystic... probably a few more I'm forgetting.

Personally I'm hoping to see how bloatmages work in this edition.


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tqomins wrote:
Elfteiroh wrote:
Lanathar wrote:
Saga lands I am not sure . I would assume something Varisian but only Grey Maiden springs to mind and that was in the playtest...

It might be something like "Grey Maiden apprentice" (or what they might be called in the lore), as the "Grey Maiden" should stay higher level with prerequisites, but with an easy entry if you took the low-level one.

The Lost Omen Character Guide product page says:
Quote:
[...] and presents 10 new archetypes to allow characters of any class to participate in the world’s most notable organizations, from the adventurous Pathfinder Society to the rabble -rousing Firebrands to the magical masters of the Magaambya!

>10 archetypes

>10 regions with one archetype each in the Lost Omen World Guide

I would say it might be very probable that many of these will be "enhanced" version of the ones in LOWG, like, Full Hellknight, Full Grey Maiden (PURE SPECULATION), Full Pathfinder, Full Last Wall knight, etc.

Oh, I hadn't seen the Character Guide description yet. I'd say that makes it very, very likely that we'll have the Arcanist for the Expanse, given that we already see the Pathfinders and the Hellknights integrated across the books

I'm not familiar enough with Golarion lore to know what the Firebrands is a reference to.

They are revolutionaries. They operate in many different regions, and there is at least one band of pirates using that name.

Mechalibur wrote:

So many choices for the Sagalands. Gray Maiden, Harrower, Mystery Cultist, Bloat Mage, Winter Witch, Tattooed Mystic... probably a few more I'm forgetting.

Personally I'm hoping to see how bloatmages work in this edition.

They'll probably focus more on global archetypes than class-specific ones... at least this early on, to maximize the boost of option on the most characters possible.

These are also more "organisation" focused ones.


Galt certainly has its share of rabble rousers and is in the Shinning Kingdoms region. The theme of the nation for the last ten years has been in essence viva le revolution.

It is the odd-one out in that region though, so not what I would have immediately have guessed at. Within Galt perhaps the most obvious organisation are the Grey Gardners (edit following, having re-read their wiki page) and would be my guess.

Unless rable rousing firebrands is a reference to Andoran freedom fighters?


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Ramanujan wrote:

Galt certainly has its share of rabble rousers and is in the Shinning Kingdoms region. The theme of the nation for the last ten years has been in essence viva le revolution.

It is the odd-one out in that region though, so not what I would have immediately have guessed at. Within Galt perhaps the most obvious organisation are the grey gardeners, but I don’t think they fit the description?

Unless rable rousing firebrands is a reference to Andoran freedom fighters?

They were most important in an adventure set in Westcrown, with the group named "Westcrown Firebrand".

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While I'd really love to see Lion Blade as the archetype for the Shining Kingdoms, I don't know if that best represents that area. Oh, Taldor for sure, and in fairness the whole area (and more) used to BE Taldor, but with the Shining Kingdoms being more... classic fantasy kingdoms, I guess? I don't know that it works as "the" archetype to get from that meta-region. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though!


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Could see something that acts kinda like a mix of Lion Blade or Steel Falcon depending on nation your from. Kinda a Kingdom Agent that could be used to expand into a specific nation archetype. Allows for a more stealth/skill/intrigue based archetype


I could see the Firebrand leading into Eagle Knight and Lion Knight and something Galt as I don't know that place well. (A character would then chose which). It seems akin to how HK Armiger is leading into 2 separate option.

I like this paradigm.


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Saint Evil wrote:

I could see the Firebrand leading into Eagle Knight and Lion Knight and something Galt as I don't know that place well. (A character would then chose which). It seems akin to how HK Armiger is leading into 2 separate option.

I like this paradigm.

Remind me which 2 HK Armiger is leading to?

It sounds like the 10 LOCG archetypes will be 2 per faction like that, and I think Luis mentioned the HK archetypes on Mark's Twitch stream, but I forget what he said for them.


tqomins wrote:
Saint Evil wrote:

I could see the Firebrand leading into Eagle Knight and Lion Knight and something Galt as I don't know that place well. (A character would then chose which). It seems akin to how HK Armiger is leading into 2 separate option.

I like this paradigm.

Remind me which 2 HK Armiger is leading to?

It sounds like the 10 LOCG archetypes will be 2 per faction like that, and I think Luis mentioned the HK archetypes on Mark's Twitch stream, but I forget what he said for them.

I would guess the assumption is Commander and Signifer

But the way archetypes now work make me think that the distinction between the two will not be necessary


Guessing Lastwall Sentry leads to Knight not sure what other ones are.


An arcane archer or a mystic theurge would be nice, though even a dragon disciple would be fun


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We have only seen a handful of Archetypes so far but it does appear that the 2E Archetype replaces the Prestige Class. Although, I love the concept of Prestige Archetypes being a thing that requires an appropriate Dedication Feat and a certain level of commitment to an Archetype.

It could work something like this: In game you sufficiently advance within an organization and are seeking to join or have been invited to join a specialized group within the organization. In the rules this is reflected by having the appropriate Dedication Feat and two additional feats within that Archetype. (Keep in mind this is just theory on how it might work)
For example: A player takes the Pathfinder Agent Archetype and two additional feats from that Archetype. Now they have the option of taking a Prestige Archetype such as Pathfinder Chronicler, Pathfinder Delver, or Pathfinder Savant (depending on them meeting any additional prerequisites).

This also allows for a natural progression within an Archetype for large organizations that have multiple specialties, factions, or sub-groups. So smaller organizations or organizations that have a narrow focus get an Archetype and larger organizations or organizations with specialty sub-groups get an Archetype and Prestige Archetypes.

So you might start with the Hellknight Armiger Archetype but after some advancement you take the Hellknight Signifer or Hellknight Enforcer, or Hellknight Commander Prestige Archetype expressing your greater advancement and specialization into some aspect of that organization.

Also, if having Prestige Archetypes makes single Archetype organizations seem slighted by not having Prestige Archetypes you can easily add into the rules for Prestige Archetypes that any player that has four or more feats from a single Archetype that Archetype is now a Prestige Archetype reflecting their dedication and advancement within that organization.


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I went through all the Prestige Classes from 1E and grouped them by the ten meta-regions as best I could. This might give us an idea of what Archetypes we might see in the future, especially in regards to the specific meta-region.

Organizations By Region
Archetypes marked with * appear in the Lost Omens World Guide

-Absalom and Starstone Isle-
Knights of Ozem
- Archetype: Knight of Ozem (this is a best guess as far as current operating location)
Pathfinder Society
- Archetype: Pathfinder Agent*
- Archetype: Pathfinder Field Agent
- Archetype: Pathfinder Chronicler
- Archetype: Pathfinder Delver
- Archetype: Pathfinder Savant
- Archetype: Student of War
Inner Sea Pirates
- Archetype: Inner Sea Pirate

-Broken Lands-
Aldori Swordlords
- Archetype: Aldori Swordlord
- Archetype: Aldori Duelist*
Daggermark Poisoner’s Guild
- Archetype: Daggermark Poisoner
Razmiran Priesthood
- Archetype: Razmiran Priest
Riftwardens
- Archetype: Riftwarden
Technic League
- Archetype: Technomancer
Blackfire Adepts
- Archetype: Blachfire Adept
Low Templars
- Archetype: Low Templar
Stargazers
- Archetype: Stargazer

-Eye of Dread-
Whispering Way
- Archetype: Agent of the Grave
Sleepless Agency
- Archetype: Sleepless Detective
Chernasardo Wardens
- Archetype: Chernasardo Warden
Knights of Last Wall
- Archetype: Last Wall Sentry

-Golden Road-
Al-Zabriti
- Archetype: Asavir
Living Monoliths
- Archetype: Living Monolith*
Pure Legion
- Archetype: Pure Legion Enforcers
Genie Binders
- Archetype: Genie Binder
Balanced Scales of Abadar
- Archetype: Balanced Scale of Abadar
Daivrat
- Archetype: Daivrat

-High Seas-
Red Mantis Assassins
- Archetype: Red Mantis Assassin*
- Archetype: Death Slayer
Shackles Pirates
- Archetype: Shackles Pirate

-Impossible Lands-
Arclords of Nex
- Archetype: Arclord of Nex
Shieldmarshals
- Archetype: Shieldmarshal
Students of Perfection
- Archetype: Student of Perfection*
Soul Wardens
- Archetype: Soul Warden

-Mwangi Expanse-
Magaambya
- Archetype: Magaambya Arcanist
- Archetype: Magic Warrior*
Storm Kindlers
- Archetype: Storm Kindler

-Old Cheliax-
Aspis Consortium
- Archetype: Aspis Agent
Bellflower Network
- Archetype: Bellflower Tiller
Hellknights
- Archetype: Hellknight Armiger*
- Archetype: Hellknight
- Archetype: Hellknight Signifer
Sanguine Angels
- Archetype: Sanguine Angel
Umbral Court
- Archetype: Umbral Court Agent
Council of Thieves
- Archetype: Westcrown Devil
Silver Ravens
- Archetype: Argent Dramaturge
Thuvian Alchemists
- Archetype: Thuvian Alchemist

-Saga Lands-
Bloatmages
- Archetype: Bloatmage
Brothers of the Seal
- Archetype: Brother of the Seal
Order of Cyphers
- Archetype: Cyphermage
Runeguards
- Archetype: Runeguard
Runescarred
- Archetype: Runescarred*
Winter Witches
- Archetype: Winter Witch
Ashavic Dancers
- Archetype: Ashavic Dancer
Harrowers
- Archetype: Harrower
Mammoth Riders
- Archetype: Mammoth Rider
Tattooed Mystics
- Archetype: Tattooed Mystic
Ulfen Guard
- Archetype: Ulfen Guard

-Shining Kingdoms-
Eagle Knights
- Archetype: Golden Legionnaire
- Archetype: Gray Corsair
- Steel Falcon
- Twilight Talon
Gray Gardeners
- Archetype: Gray Gardner
Lantern Bearers
- Archetype: Lantern Bearer
Lion Blades
- Archetype: Lion Blade*
Prophets of Kalistrade
- Archetype: Prophet of Kalistrade
Rivethun
- Archetype: Rivethun Emissary
Brightness Seekers
- Archetype: Brightness Seeker
Skyseekers
- Archetype: Skyseeker

Specific Religious Traditions not Associated with a Region (as far as I can tell)

Sivannah
- Archetype: Veiled Illusionist
Green Faith
- Archetype: Green Faith Acolyte
Cayden Cailean
- Archetype: Brewkeeper
- Archetype: Chevalier
Irori
- Archetype: Champions of Irori
Ragathiel
- Crimson Templar
Kurgess
- Archetype: Darechaser
Sarenrae
- Archetype: Dawnflower Anchorite
- Archetype: Dawnflower Dissident
Shelyn
- Archetype: Devoted Muse
Iomedae
- Archetype: Heritor Knight
- Archetype: Inheritor’s Crusader
Erastil
- Archetype: Hinterlander
Abadar
- Archetype: Justicar
Zon-Kuthon
- Archetype: Paintaster
Milani
- Archetype: Rose Warden
Torag
- Archetype: Sacred Sentinel
Vildeis
- Scar Seeker
Desna
- Archetype: Sphere Singer
- Archetype: Spherewalker

Traditions Unassociated with a specific Locale, Religion, Institution, or Government (as far as I can tell)

Archetype: Arcane Archer
Archetype: Arcane Trickster
Archetype: Assassin
Archetype: Battle Herald
Archetype: Diabolist
Archetype: Demoniac
Archetype: Divine Scion
Archetype: Dragon Disciple
Archetype: Duelist
Archetype: Eldritch Knight
Archetype: Enchanting Courtesan
Archetype: Envoy of Balance
Archetype: Esoteric Knight
Archetype: Evangelist
Archetype: Exalted
Archetype: Feysworn
Archetype: Halfling Opportunist
Archetype: Holy Vindicator
Archetype: Horizon Walker
Archetype: Liberator
Archetype: Loremaster
Archetype: Master Chymist
Archetype: Master Spy
Archetype: Mystery Cultist
Archetype: Mystic Theurge
Archetype: Nature Warden
Archetype: Noble Scion
Archetype: Pit Fighter
Archetype: Proctor
Archetype: Rage Prophet
Archetype: Ritualist
Archetype: Sentinel
Archetype: Shadow Dancer
Archetype: Stalwart Defender
Archetype: Soul Drinker


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Nice!

Two things:

*Thuvian Alchemist should be in the Golden Road region as they're from Thuvia (where the Elixir of Immortality is made);

*Ulfen Guard are probably more likely from the Shining Kingdoms region as they're the elite bodyguards of the Prince(ess) of Taldor.


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Seventh Seal wrote:

Nice!

Two things:

*Thuvian Alchemist should be in the Golden Road region as they're from Thuvia (where the Elixir of Immortality is made);

*Ulfen Guard are probably more likely from the Shining Kingdoms region as they're the elite bodyguards of the Prince(ess) of Taldor.

Yes Thuvian Alchemist was indeed supposed to be in the Golden Road. That is a copy/paste error. Sorry about that.

I struggled with the Ulfen Guard placement and agree it could easily be placed in the Shining Kingdoms.

Thank you for catching those!


No problem. :)

Thanks for your hard work in collating all of the prestige classes together!

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