Blood arcanist, peri-blooded aasimar with the orc bloodline


Rules Questions


My group and I are starting tyrants grasp, I’ve been following a blood arcanist guide, that says to take reduce person, but as an aasimar I’m not humanoid, is there another way around it, or from the orc bloodline where I gain the orc subtype, am I considered humanoid?


I believe this alternate racial trait from the Advanced Race Guide should solve you worries nicely.

Advanced Race Guide pg. 85 wrote:


Scion of Humanity
Some aasimars’ heavenly ancestry is extremely distant. An aasimar with this racial trait counts as an outsider (native) and a humanoid (human) for any effect related to race, including feat prerequisites and spells that affect humanoids. She can pass for human without using the Disguise skill. This racial trait replaces the Celestial language and alters the native subtype.


Ventnor wrote:

I believe this alternate racial trait from the Advanced Race Guide should solve you worries nicely.

Advanced Race Guide pg. 85 wrote:


Scion of Humanity
Some aasimars’ heavenly ancestry is extremely distant. An aasimar with this racial trait counts as an outsider (native) and a humanoid (human) for any effect related to race, including feat prerequisites and spells that affect humanoids. She can pass for human without using the Disguise skill. This racial trait replaces the Celestial language and alters the native subtype.

It would if the title didn’t say Peri-Blooded aasimar already, I took peri-blooded for the bonus damage to fire spells. I would take scion of humanity if Peri-Blooded didn’t give me the best bonus to an arcanist.


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So, fun but confusing fact about Pathfinder 1: Race Traits and Racial Traits are two entirely separate things.

Race traits are a category of trait, like Faith Traits or Social Traits.

Racial traits are the features that your race starts with, in the case of Aasimar things like their spell-like abilities and celestial resistances.

Peri-blooded Aasimar can, in fact, take the Scion of Humanity alternate racial traits because none of the racial traits they swap out affect the Celestial language and native subtype racial traits and all aasimar start with.


Ventnor wrote:

So, fun but confusing fact about Pathfinder 1: Race Traits and Racial Traits are two entirely separate things.

Race traits are a category of trait, like Faith Traits or Social Traits.

Racial traits are the features that your race starts with, in the case of Aasimar things like their spell-like abilities and celestial resistances.

Peri-blooded Aasimar can, in fact, take the Scion of Humanity alternate racial traits because none of the racial traits they swap out affect the Celestial language and native subtype racial traits and all aasimar start with.

Is that in the core rule book or anywhere I can reference for my dm? Just so I can back it up if he questions it, he’s a first time dm and I’ve only played one campaign before this with a pretty straight forward Drow sorcerer


He is correct about the scion of humanity but you already count as orc(humanoid) from the bloodline. So you can use enlarge already


Skaterfoever wrote:
Is that in the core rule book or anywhere I can reference for my dm? Just so I can back it up if he questions it, he’s a first time dm and I’ve only played one campaign before this with a pretty straight forward Drow sorcerer

Is your group using traits at all? Traits are a separate system like feats, that were mainly introduced in Ultimate Campaign. Most groups give characters 2 starting traits at character creation, but there is some variation. But, there is also a feat to gain extra traits, if your character didn't start with one.

This link only contains a few of the traits that are currently available now, as more got added with almost every following book, just like feats:
Link to Ultimate Campaign

Edit Correction: Traits were mostly introduced in the Advanced Players Guide.
Link to APG traits


vhok wrote:
He is correct about the scion of humanity but you already count as orc(humanoid) from the bloodline. So you can use enlarge already

Is there a clear ruling on that, because I can’t seem to find anything on it, and if I don’t have to take scion of humanity I don’t want to


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Skaterfoever wrote:
vhok wrote:
He is correct about the scion of humanity but you already count as orc(humanoid) from the bloodline. So you can use enlarge already
Is there a clear ruling on that, because I can’t seem to find anything on it, and if I don’t have to take scion of humanity I don’t want to

From the orc bloodline:

Quote:
Bloodline Arcana: You gain the orc subtype, including darkvision 60 feet and light sensitivity. If you already have darkvision, its range increases to 90 feet.

Most bloodlines don't give you a subtype. Though I think you'd count more as an outsider(orc), so not orc(humanoid).


This is the rules forums you can’t just make up new races “outsider(orc)”??? If he counts as an orc he is also humanoid. That’s how it works


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vhok wrote:
This is the rules forums you can’t just make up new races “outsider(orc)”??? If he counts as an orc he is also humanoid. That’s how it works

No it isn't, he counts as having the orc subtype, not as having the Humanoid type. Those are 2 different things.

Similarly, a human who takes Racial Heritage (Elf) does not count as a half-elf for selecting things.


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There are several examples of creatures who have subtypes without the typical type. The easiest to remember are in the oni family, they're outsiders but among them are those with the tengu, goblin, and kitsune subtypes. There's also the giant subtype that shows up with several types.

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