Anyone know why the warrior-poet archetype was disallowed?


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I’m going to be running a non-PFS Return of the Runelords game soon and one of my players expressed an interest in playing a warrior poet. Now, I know I don’t have to follow PFS rules, but I also don’t want sythisest summoners ruining the campaign for everyone else. Was there ever a reason given why Warrior-Post was disallowed? Is there some broken thing about them I’m not seeing?


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See this thread.

Nothing official, but considerable discussion and speculation that might be relevant to you.

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We never know the why. All we can do is speculate.

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Blake's Tiger wrote:
We never know the why. All we can do is speculate.

I’m sorry, I meant “What about this archetype is broken/ how do you fix it?” So that my player can play it. With the sub questions “Can you fix it” and “does it need fixing?”


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Since one of the problems is that it is apparently too good as a single level dip, you may want to get your player to promise that he will stick with that class and not use a single level of it to boost some other class.

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I made some suggestions in the other thread, but just to recap I think some of the flourishes are just way too good, especially as a single-level dip. At a minimum I would:

1. Make Jinin’s Exodus an enhancement bonus.
2. Put a minimum level requirement on Wrath of the Heavens (probably 9th).
3. Ban or drastically alter Kitsune’s Mystique. One benefit or the other, not both. A 3rd level snakebite striker brawler can feint while moving, but only if she already has Improved Feint. A sage counselor monk gets Improved Feint for free, but it takes his second level feat and he can’t do it while moving. Pick one, and put a minimum of 3rd level to choose the flourish.

Some people also have problems with the amount of AC a Warrior Poet can get up to. But the Warrior Poet is quite MAD (multiple attribute dependent) so it’s not terrible if you use a reasonable point-buy when building characters.

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David knott 242 wrote:

See this thread.

Nothing official, but considerable discussion and speculation that might be relevant to you.

As the guy who made that thread, I'll quickly give you my two cents on the subject. The archetype is INCREDIBLY front loaded and easily dippable, I'll give that to the many detractors of my post(and there were a lot). I think the archetype probably would've ended up PFS legal if all of the Flourish gains were pushed back one level.

The archetype is made for a Spring Attack/Shot on the Run style of combat. The modification to Challenge, Skirmisher’s Challenge, shows this. Its made for darting in and out, dancing around opponents while performing a deadly ballet of violence. Very mobile, but not a lot of damage in a round.

Belafon wrote:
1. Make Jinin’s Exodus an enhancement bonus.

I would second this suggestion.

Belafon wrote:
2. Put a minimum level requirement on Wrath of the Heavens (probably 9th).

A level requirement is fine, but 9th might be a little much, maybe 5th. You don't gain any of the things that actually help you do ranged combat like Precise Shot.

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