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I just wanted a bit more detail than the provided map has to make the journey at the beginning of book 4 a bit more engaging, so made this..
I just wanted a bit more detail than the provided map has to make the journey at the beginning of book 4 a bit more engaging, so made this..
Gratz, that is a beautiful map.
That is seriously awesome. Thanks!
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Just out of curiousity - does that map have space to include markers for where the PCs need to go for the rest of Book 4? 'Cause if so, then you just solved a minor problem I've been wrestling with for the last few weeks.
It does not. Most of the Cinderlands are not shown on the map.
Other oddities:
1. Tregan has been transplanted from the Galt/Taldor border for what I presume are reasons that only apply in the OP's Golarion;
2. Hanspur's Blessing, The Dancing Bugbear, Irina's Place, The Halfway Inn, The Smiling Giant, Conqueror's Lookout, and Trot's Inn appear to have been made up to fill space - nothing wrong with that, but something to keep in mind if your players ever want to go there;
3. Bloodsworn Vale is too far south. The pass into the Vale ought to be around the headwaters of the Jeggare River.
Gonna second the comments about the map being really pretty though.
Just out of curiousity - does that map have space to include markers for where the PCs need to go for the rest of Book 4? 'Cause if so, then you just solved a minor problem I've been wrestling with for the last few weeks.
I've just started working on that right now, as it happens. However the Paizo maps of the area are very blank, so I have some work to do to create additional interest and detail in the area whilst staying true to the source material. I promise to post it here as soon as its done.
1. Tregan has been transplanted from the Galt/Taldor border for what I presume are reasons that only apply in the OP's Golarion;
- Yes it's to do with a specific thing within my campaign. I can rename the place, to avoid condfusion.
2. Hanspur's Blessing, The Dancing Bugbear, Irina's Place, The Halfway Inn, The Smiling Giant, Conqueror's Lookout, and Trot's Inn appear to have been made up to fill space - nothing wrong with that, but something to keep in mind if your players ever want to go there; So yes, it's new content, and intentionally so.
Trot's Inn is from the AP: it's where you have deliver Trinia to at the beginning of chapter 2.
The rest are indeed added: that's what I mean by 'adding detail'. Otherwise the maps are very empty, which was the issue I wanted to improve on. The Inns are there since it's said that there's a travellers inn about every day's travel along most of the roads. And the names are there for GM convenience and to hopefully trigger ideas for giving each Inn some character.
3. Bloodsworn Vale is too far south. The pass into the Vale ought to be around the headwaters of the Jeggare River.
I'm confused about this. Paizo have put out a few maps of the area and they don't align on where Bloodsworn Vale is exactly. So I just stuck a label down there and hoped for the best. But to the best of my research so far it seems that Bloodsworn Vale is to the South East, and is not a continuation of the source of the Jeggare River. But like I said, Paizo seems to have moved it around a bit from map to map.
Thanks for the feedback! My intention is to be 100% canon and then with added details in the gaps left by Paizo.
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Beautiful map. Wish I had this a few months ago. Just finished book 4.
3. Bloodsworn Vale is too far south. The pass into the Vale ought to be around the headwaters of the Jeggare River.
I'm confused about this. Paizo have put out a few maps of the area and they don't align on where Bloodsworn Vale is exactly. So I just stuck a label down there and hoped for the best. But to the best of my research so far it seems that Bloodsworn Vale is to the South East, and is not a continuation of the source of the Jeggare River. But like I said, Paizo seems to have moved it around a bit from map to map.
Thanks for the feedback! My intention is to be 100% canon and then with added details in the gaps left by Paizo.
I have to agree with you, Paizo has not been very consistent with where Bloodsworn Vale is exactly.
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I have to agree with you, Paizo has not been very consistent with where Bloodsworn Vale is exactly.
The big defining feature of the Bloodsworn Vale is the two rivers that form at its northern boundary and join at its southern. On the main Inner Sea Region map, the westernmost of those two rivers has its source near the Jeggare River, on the other side of the water divide. On the map of the Bloodsworn Vale itself, the pass into the vale from the west is near the headwaters of that western river.
I have to agree with you, Paizo has not been very consistent with where Bloodsworn Vale is exactly.The big defining feature of the Bloodsworn Vale is the two rivers that form at its northern boundary and join at its southern. On the main Inner Sea Region map, the westernmost of those two rivers has its source near the Jeggare River, on the other side of the water divide. On the map of the Bloodsworn Vale itself, the pass into the vale from the west is near the headwaters of that western river.
Are you referring to the local area map of Bloodsworn Vale? The one that shows up first when you search 'bloodsworn vale' on google images? I have seen that. However the issue i have is rather: where does that sit on the larger scale maps or the area?
I have seen several larger scale maps, all with different locations indicated. This map is the one I chose to follow. It implies that Bloodsworn Vale is 'off the bottom of the map to the south east'.
The main map it contradicts is the even larger scale Inner Sea Poster Map, but on that map the detail of the mountains is quite lacking. Which is why I went with the choice I did.... namely 'just off the map' to keep things simple.The intention of my map is to have Bloodsworn Vale 'down there somewhere' rather than be a precise map of the Vale itself.
Having said all that, if anyone knows of an accurate map showing the precise location of Bloodsworn Vale that would be awesome. I looked and looked and came up dry on that.
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I have to agree with you, Paizo has not been very consistent with where Bloodsworn Vale is exactly.The big defining feature of the Bloodsworn Vale is the two rivers that form at its northern boundary and join at its southern. On the main Inner Sea Region map, the westernmost of those two rivers has its source near the Jeggare River, on the other side of the water divide. On the map of the Bloodsworn Vale itself, the pass into the vale from the west is near the headwaters of that western river.
Yes I get that. Yet some maps clearly have an arrow pointing southeast of Korvosa. That is what he went by.
Honestly, Yossarian obviously put a lot of work into his map, which looks awesome, and deserves kudos, not criticism. I thought it was great of him to share his hard work with us. How does your map look?
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The best place to go to for accurate locations for all things like this is the version of the map in Inner Sea World Guide.
That said, the map the OP made here is really beautiful and is tailored to their own campaign so where Bloodsworn Vale is on that map is up to them and not the rest of us.
Well done on the map though! Very pretty!
The best place to go to for accurate locations for all things like this is the version of the map in Inner Sea World Guide.
That said, the map the OP made here is really beautiful and is tailored to their own campaign so where Bloodsworn Vale is on that map is up to them and not the rest of us.
Well done on the map though! Very pretty!
Thanks for the information James. And for all the awesome content :)
So I've got a question for everyone, though I suppose James would be the most likely to know, if he sticks his head back in this thread... I was going to comment that the location of the "Conquerer's Bay" label was wrong... But now I'm finding conflicting info, and I wonder what is "right."
The large portrait-oriented map that comes in some of the Chronicles (in the Gazetteer, for example) labels Conquerer's Bay as Yossarian has done on his fabulous map. That is, the body of water west of Veldraine.
But in Guide to Korvosa on page 9 it clearly states "Korvosa sits at the end of Conquerer's Bay, where the Jeggare River spills into the sea." (The Curse of the Crimson Throne Player's Guide says almost exactly the same thing.) This always led me to believe that Conquerer's Bay was the smaller body of water between Korvosa and Veldraine. It is a bay, after all.
So... What exactly is Conquerer's Bay? Where are its eastern and western ends?
So... What exactly is Conquerer's Bay? Where are its eastern and western ends?
I wondered exactly the same thing when making the map.
I originally I assumed it was the 'small' bay between Veldrane and Korvosa. But then looking at the maps it's very clear that it extends out much further.
Wow! That map is sweet! I hope you're still working on a version that includes the locations for Chapters 4 and 5. I'm working on a easy to use travel system that would allow the players to move a token across the map so that it feels more like traveling without getting tedious. I'd love to use what you've created here with the addition of the Cinderlands, Scarwall, and possibly enough of Marshfen to include travel there.
One other small request. Could you create a version without all the names? I'd be happy to add them myself has the players discover them.
Glad you like it. Here's a map of the Cinderlands for book 4. Although I've not bothered with a map for book 5 since by then I expect my PCs will use flight to bypass most of the Hold of Belkzen.
I'll post a map without names here when I get a moment. Check back the thread in a few days.