Obedience


Rules Questions


Hello, is it possible for a character to take all the following obedience feat with Socothbenoth :
- deific obedience
- demonic/fiendish obedience
- damned soldier/disciple
- diverse obedience

The idea is the access to serveral boons from exalted, sentinel, evangelist.

Thanks for your future answer.


Socothbenoth does not appear to be a valid choice for deific obedience.

I don't see anything in the RAW that would prevent you from taking Demonic Obedience and Fiendish Obedience, along with the Damned Soldier and Damned Disciple feats. Though, these would only allow you to pick alternate choices for Fiendish. The Demonic Obedience feat locks you into to the specific list and you wouldn't be able to swap anything from that list.


I'd consider Fiendish to be the new and improved replacement for Demonic though. Granted, it's not stated anywhere afaik but Demonic usually grants what are now the Exalted Fiendish Boons (with some updates here and there). Ymmv, I guess. Check with your GM.

Regarding Deific - and Diverse - Obedience, as pointed out Socothbenoth is not godly enough to qualify, as I understand it.

Getting both Demonic and Fiendish would be the only way. And then you'd need one of the Damned ones asap, to avoid doubling up on early exalted boons.


Nyerkh wrote:

I'd consider Fiendish to be the new and improved replacement for Demonic though. Granted, it's not stated anywhere afaik but Demonic usually grants what are now the Exalted Fiendish Boons (with some updates here and there). Ymmv, I guess. Check with your GM.

Regarding Deific - and Diverse - Obedience, as pointed out Socothbenoth is not godly enough to qualify, as I understand it.

Getting both Demonic and Fiendish would be the only way. And then you'd need one of the Damned ones asap, to avoid doubling up on early exalted boons.

With the Pantheistic Blessing feat and the demon lords pantheon, is it possible to take the deific obedience feats ?


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Deific Obedience is a valid feat choice for any deity, but it usually doesn't count as one of the more specific obedience feats (such as Fiendish Obedience) for the purpose of feat prerequisites. But if you want to worship a fiend and become an Evangelist, Exalted, or Sentinel, you can certainly take Deific Obedience on your way to doing that.


With divine paragon (cleric archetype), the character obtains :

Quote:
Devoted Domain: A divine paragon is intensely devoted to a single deity, and her alignment must be identical to her deity’s alignment. She gains Deific Obedience as a bonus feat, even if she doesn’t meet the feat’s prerequisites. She gains access to her boons at an accelerated rate (see below) rather than the standard HD-based rate granted by Deific Obedience (and as such cannot benefit from the accelerated rate granted by the Diverse Obedience feat).

I know that is written "deity" above.

But she gains deific obedience, even if she doesn’t meet the feat’s prerequisites :Knowledge (religion) 3 ranks, must worship a deity

Is it possible to be a divine paragon of Socothbenoth ?


The way it's worded it seems like that is possible. divine paragon gives you deific obedience but then completely re-writes it to make it effectively non-functional. You have the feat but instead of actually benefiting from it, the archetype replaces all of the domain powers of your non-devoted domain.

Divine Paragon wrote:

Instead, she must choose from the evangelist, exalted, or sentinel boons granted by her deity. At 5th level, she gains access to the first boon granted by her deity.

At 11th level, she gains access to the second boon. At 14th level, she gains access to the third boon.

So long as the thing you worship has evangelist, exalted or sentinel boons to pick from you should be good. The only time it wouldn't work is if it only has demonic boons or didn't list any boons at all (eg. Elion). In those cases you just wouldn't gain any boons. In the case of Socothbenoth specifically it should be fine so long as they are a valid choice for a cleric. Cleric also says "deity" throughout all of it's descriptions.


Pathfinder Companion, Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

If a deity has only one set of boons, then those are the boons you get as evangelist, exalted, or sentinel boons -- there is no choice to make if you are given a choice.

If no boons are listed at all, then you are out of luck for that particular deity.

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