Alchemist Fast Bomb


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I'm mostly wanting to make sure I'm not missing a later errata, especially as I had always thought Rapid Shot didn't work with thrown weapons:

Paizo Errata..

Alchemist: If an alchemist has the Fast bombs discovery, can he use Rapid Shot, Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, haste, and similar abilities and effects to add more attacks?

As written, yes, all of these apply because fast bombs "functions just like a full-attack with a ranged weapon."

So at 8th level (or soon after to take feats) there is potentially 6 bombs: 2 from BAB, 1 from Rapid shot, 2 from two weapon fighting feats, 1 from haste?

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Yeah. Alchemists can Nova the hell out of something. The limit is their number of bombs.

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Yes though it is a strong trade-off to do all those feats by then. You can go very Nova, but will very quickly run out of bombs.

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Davor Firetusk wrote:
Yes though it is a strong trade-off to do all those feats by then. You can go very Nova, but will very quickly run out of bombs.

Something i don't see alchemists doing nearly enough is since you have point blank precise rapid shot anyway is doing archery on the mooks to save bombs for novaing the wizard.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Davor Firetusk wrote:
Yes though it is a strong trade-off to do all those feats by then. You can go very Nova, but will very quickly run out of bombs.
Something i don't see alchemists doing nearly enough is since you have point blank precise rapid shot anyway is doing archery on the mooks to save bombs for novaing the wizard.

Alchemists only get prof with simple weapons, so would either need to invest a feat or take the Grenadier archetype to give proficiency with Long bow.

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CigarPete wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Davor Firetusk wrote:
Yes though it is a strong trade-off to do all those feats by then. You can go very Nova, but will very quickly run out of bombs.
Something i don't see alchemists doing nearly enough is since you have point blank precise rapid shot anyway is doing archery on the mooks to save bombs for novaing the wizard.
Alchemists only get prof with simple weapons, so would either need to invest a feat or take the Grenadier archetype to give proficiency with Long bow.

The downside to the grenadier archetype being...

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
The downside to the grenadier archetype being...

You can't do other archetypes like mindchemist.

If you want to save bombs to go nova vs the big bad, you can just use regular alchemical stuff like acid instead, which isn't even that expensive as you craft those for 1/3 of the cost.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
CigarPete wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Davor Firetusk wrote:
Yes though it is a strong trade-off to do all those feats by then. You can go very Nova, but will very quickly run out of bombs.
Something i don't see alchemists doing nearly enough is since you have point blank precise rapid shot anyway is doing archery on the mooks to save bombs for novaing the wizard.
Alchemists only get prof with simple weapons, so would either need to invest a feat or take the Grenadier archetype to give proficiency with Long bow.
The downside to the grenadier archetype being...

Those pitiful grenadiers can’t take the mindchemist archetype. They are stuck as relative morons.

Seriously: grenadier is a fun archetype and certainly a powerful one to play. The main downsides are that it blocks off a fair number of other archetypes and that you get less bombs (with the PFS rule of extra bombs replacing brew potion). Nobody’s going to complain about a player with a grenadier, but it isn’t a “must take” archetype.

Edit: Curse your ninja skills, Auke. We seriously both went for the same example?

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There's alchemists archetypes besides the mindchemist? :)

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Two wildly different points:

1. There are several items available that can give you proficiency in bows. Lesser bracers of archery for 5,000gp come to mind.

2. Alchemists are one of the most versatile classes when it comes to the possible builds. Depending on archetype, discovery, and feat choices they can vary from melee brutes to long-range snipers. Even among bomb-specialists not all are nova-capable; some focus on packing as much damage as possible into single bombs. Which is a long-winded way of saying that many alchemists simply wouldn’t be very good at using a bow.


You aren't forced to throw all the bombs you're capable of throwing.

With (RS and TWF) and haste, you can throw 4 bombs at your highest BAB plus DEX minus 4. With just (RS xor TWF) and haste, that's 3 bombs at BAB+DEX-2.

It's always nice to have the option of throwing 2-3 more bombs, but it costs an extra feat (ITWF) and you're missing an awful lot, relative to what a saved bomb is worth.

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I had been planning on going TWF until I realized that I could Rapid Shot as well. As for missing, it's a ranged touch attack, so even at -4, it's still pretty viable.

I'm an Alchemical Sapper, so I was pretty all-in on the bombs from the beginning.

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CigarPete wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Davor Firetusk wrote:
Yes though it is a strong trade-off to do all those feats by then. You can go very Nova, but will very quickly run out of bombs.
Something i don't see alchemists doing nearly enough is since you have point blank precise rapid shot anyway is doing archery on the mooks to save bombs for novaing the wizard.
Alchemists only get prof with simple weapons, so would either need to invest a feat or take the Grenadier archetype to give proficiency with Long bow.

Or be an elf, of course.

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RealAlchemy wrote:
CigarPete wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Davor Firetusk wrote:
Yes though it is a strong trade-off to do all those feats by then. You can go very Nova, but will very quickly run out of bombs.
Something i don't see alchemists doing nearly enough is since you have point blank precise rapid shot anyway is doing archery on the mooks to save bombs for novaing the wizard.
Alchemists only get prof with simple weapons, so would either need to invest a feat or take the Grenadier archetype to give proficiency with Long bow.
Or be an elf, of course.

not that an elf with a bonus to INT and DEX would make a good Alchemist...

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