body bludgeon feat, refine improvised weapon spell.

[kingradish]

So I have a rules question. I posted this in the wrong area before so i created this thread here to clarify

I'm playing a barbarian with Body Bludgeon. I now have a pinned living creature that I am using as a 1D8 Improvised two handed weapon.

Can my spellcaster cast the Refine Improvised Weapon Spell to turn that creature into a martial two handed weapon of similar type.

On an extra note while we're here. If this works can my spellcaster then cast magic weapon on the same "weapon".

[LordKailas]

by the RAW I think it works. But I could see a DM disallowing it so, yes but expect table variation.

[blahpers]

Nah. Body bludgeon lets you use a creature as an improvised weapon. It doesn't make the creature an actual improvised weapon. The spell would fizzle for lack of a valid target.

[Cavall]

Blahpers is right. There is a difference between treated as and actually being. To the wizard casting the spell it's still a body. Not a valid target.

[kingradish]

thanks for all your opinions. Gonna run this by my DM

[Kitty Catoblepas]

blahpers wrote:

Body bludgeon lets you use a creature as an improvised weapon. It doesn't make the creature an actual improvised weapon.

Otherwise, the Chairbreaker feat would be really scary.

[blahpers]

Kitty Catoblepas wrote:

blahpers wrote:

Body bludgeon lets you use a creature as an improvised weapon. It doesn't make the creature an actual improvised weapon.

Otherwise, the Chairbreaker feat would be really scary.

What a strange feat. "I can't even scratch this adamantium bust of Runelord Alaznist, but I'll club you with it and suddenly it breaks." Doesn't make much sense to me.

[avr]

This reminds me of my reaction on first seeing the masterwork transformation spell - huh. Someone made a way to make a monk worth 300 gp.

[Kitty Catoblepas]

Lots of strange feats. Trepanation, for example, is a torturer's feat. In practice, the user purposely fails until either the target's Will save is low enough to succumb to any effect or until the target is unconscious.

[blahpers]

avr wrote:

This reminds me of my reaction on first seeing the masterwork transformation spell - huh. Someone made a way to make a monk worth 300 gp.

I just about shot Earl Grey out of my nostrils at this. Well done.