body bludgeon feat, refine improvised weapon spell.


Rules Questions


So I have a rules question. I posted this in the wrong area before so i created this thread here to clarify

I'm playing a barbarian with Body Bludgeon. I now have a pinned living creature that I am using as a 1D8 Improvised two handed weapon.

Can my spellcaster cast the Refine Improvised Weapon Spell to turn that creature into a martial two handed weapon of similar type.

On an extra note while we're here. If this works can my spellcaster then cast magic weapon on the same "weapon".


by the RAW I think it works. But I could see a DM disallowing it so, yes but expect table variation.


Nah. Body bludgeon lets you use a creature as an improvised weapon. It doesn't make the creature an actual improvised weapon. The spell would fizzle for lack of a valid target.


Blahpers is right. There is a difference between treated as and actually being. To the wizard casting the spell it's still a body. Not a valid target.


thanks for all your opinions. Gonna run this by my DM


blahpers wrote:
Body bludgeon lets you use a creature as an improvised weapon. It doesn't make the creature an actual improvised weapon.

Otherwise, the Chairbreaker feat would be really scary.


Kitty Catoblepas wrote:
blahpers wrote:
Body bludgeon lets you use a creature as an improvised weapon. It doesn't make the creature an actual improvised weapon.
Otherwise, the Chairbreaker feat would be really scary.

What a strange feat. "I can't even scratch this adamantium bust of Runelord Alaznist, but I'll club you with it and suddenly it breaks." Doesn't make much sense to me.


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This reminds me of my reaction on first seeing the masterwork transformation spell - huh. Someone made a way to make a monk worth 300 gp.


Lots of strange feats. Trepanation, for example, is a torturer's feat. In practice, the user purposely fails until either the target's Will save is low enough to succumb to any effect or until the target is unconscious.


avr wrote:
This reminds me of my reaction on first seeing the masterwork transformation spell - huh. Someone made a way to make a monk worth 300 gp.

I just about shot Earl Grey out of my nostrils at this. Well done.

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