Organization of Demi-humans and humans.


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Hello everyone,

Quick question: Where does one find the organization of the character races when encountered as monsters? i.e. Goblins are 17+, +1 - 3rd level sergeant per 20 goblins, etc...

I cannot find this for Dwarves, Halflings, Humans, Gnomes, etc....

A little help, please!

Thanks!


Pathfinder Companion, Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I am pretty sure that none of the Bestiaries have entries for any of the core races. Even for goblins, I suspect that you got your information from a D&D Monster Manual rather than the Pathfinder Bestiary.


David knott 242 wrote:

I am pretty sure that none of the Bestiaries have entries for any of the core races. Even for goblins, I suspect that you got your information from a D&D Monster Manual rather than the Pathfinder Bestiary.

Nope.. I took the info about goblins right from the Pathfinder Bestiary.


I think those tend to be labeled as NPCs rather than as monsters.

Of course, as a result, when you look at online databases, you tend to either find things related to named NPCs (in which case you get backstory), or to very, very generic NPCs (and the entry is written explicitly for GMs, and contains suggestions about how the stat block could be adapted to various characters, with suggestions for equipment, allies, templates, and CR).


Pathfinder Companion, Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

That organization information definitely became less sophisticated in later bestiaries -- by Bestiary 6, you don't get anything more than a range of numbers encountered and perhaps what a group of that type of monster might be called. By that point, they seem to have definitely abandoned the original approach of listing higher level members of that race without statting them out.

And since the original Bestiary did not have the core races in it, we don't even have that much information for those races.


You can find something in the GameMastery Guide, Chapter 9: NPC Gallery. For every presented generic NPC it gives several examples of encounters in which they can be used, for example:

GameMastery Guide, p. 256 wrote:
Battle mages make excellent military fire support and magical bodyguards. They can be found alone, guarding a traveling merchant (CR 7) or guide (CR 8) or adventuring with a medium or minstrel, monster hunter or gladiator, and tomb raider (CR 9). A squad of four battle mages (CR 9) might be attached to an army.

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