Feat Ping Pong


Rules Questions


If a Twinned Summoner's Eidolon has the Shared Evolution evolution, it can pass on one of its evolutions to the Summoner. If it was to pick the Extra Feat evolution for that... can the Summoner pick another feat than the Eidolon had?

I saw no rules barring it, but if true, the Summoner and their Eidolon could start playing "Feat Ping Pong": passing the Extra Feat evolution back and forth between each other and picking a new feat every time. That sort of flexibility would be a serious increase in power to the Summoner.


I believe that the entire evolution, including any choices made with it is shared.

So if the eidolon shares his skilled(use magic device) evolution then the summon gets skilled (use magic device) not skilled (whatever I want right now.

The same would apply with a feat, Extra Feat(power attack) would be what was shared, not Extra Feat (pick one every time).


Though I should probably agree with you, nagging doubts remain. The chosen feat is, after all, not actually a part of the evolution - unlike your example for the Skilled evolution. Extra Feat does just that: you get an extra feat. There are no limitations in choice (except needing to meet the feat's prerequisites) and the feat does its own thing, instead of granting a bonus directly tied to the evolution.

Perhaps Extra Feat should be given the same limitations that were used to nerf the Paragon Surge spell: a limitation to one feat per day.


That is like saying my Eidolon gives up his str Ability Increase evolution so I can boost my Int with Ability Increase. That doesn't fit the flavor of the ability, it just fits the most RAW interpretation while ignoring the basis of the ability.

The twin is giving you its evolution, that evolution should do for you what it does for your twin. Not something completely different.


I don't see how they are different. With skilled you choose a skill, with extra feat you choose a feat. Part of the evolution is the options contained within it.


Yeah, I guess I'm just too eager - there's no actual rule, but it never did make much sense.
Okay, thanks for the input.


Quote:

Shared Evolution (Su) (Legacy of the First World pg. 19): Select a 1-point or 2-point evolution the eidolon has. As a standard action, the eidolon can touch the summoner and transfer the selected evolution to him. This functions as the summoner’s aspect ability, and the same limitations apply. The summoner can touch the eidolon as a standard action to return the evolution. The evolution returns to the eidolon automatically if the eidolon is dismissed by the summoner or sent back to its home plane. Requirements: Twinned eidolon.

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Aspect (Su): At 10th level, a summoner can divert up to 2 points from his eidolon’s evolution pool to add evolutions to himself. He cannot select any evolution that the eidolon could not possess, and he must be able to meet the requirements as well (except for subtype requirements, so long as his eidolon meets the subtype requirement). He cannot select the ability increase evolution through this ability. Any points spent in this way are taken from the eidolon’s evolution pool (reducing the total number available to the eidolon). The summoner can change the evolutions granted by these points anytime he can change the eidolon’s evolutions.

So, you can't take the Ability Increase evolution regardless.

Depending on how you read the text, it's just a temporary version of Aspect and you don't even have to take the same evolution as the Eidolon had.


I don't see how you could read it to not be the same evolution the eidolon has.

"Select a ... evolution the eidolon has....and transfer the selected evolution to him."

Seems pretty clear. From what I read, the primary 'same limitations apply' would be 'he must be able to meet the requirements'


Dave Justus wrote:

I don't see how you could read it to not be the same evolution the eidolon has.

"Select a ... evolution the eidolon has....and transfer the selected evolution to him."

Seems pretty clear. From what I read, the primary 'same limitations apply' would be 'he must be able to meet the requirements'

It has to be worded that way, because the evolution is an evolution and not exactly evolution points anymore.

In other words, you choose an evolution and then as a standard action you lose that evolution for it to work as Aspect.

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