Playing 2 shields on the same check


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It seems to me that if both of Valeros' shields say play freely, that I can play both of them, because neither have the 2-handed trait.
Is this correct?


Yep.
I was expecting shields to say after playing you cannot play two-handed or off-hand but this isn't here.


That's what I would think as well, but I assume that there are a few swords that are off-hand, that are intended to be played with a shield.
Maybe "after playing you cannot play two-handed or shield"
It won't happen much, no one wants 2 shields hanging around in their hands usually.


There's nothing in the rules preventing you from spamming shields, absolutely true. I guess "Allow for Abstractions" to come into play here - it's just representative of carrying bigger, heavier shields when you reveal 2 at a time, maybe?

Either way, one of Valeros' role cards all but encourages you to make use of this, but it will fill up an already-small hand size, as mentioned, so it's not without significant downsides. Hardly unreasonably powerful.


Yewstance wrote:
Either way, one of Valeros' role cards all but encourages you to make use of this, but it will fill up an already-small hand size, as mentioned, so it's not without significant downsides. Hardly unreasonably powerful.

There was a quote from Vic around, to the effect that building a strategy around two shields in PACG makes only slightly more sense than doing the same in real life, so yeah - that's pretty much the official stance.

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We totally discussed stopping it, but just wasn't worth it... so yeah, go for it.


Longshot11 wrote:
There was a quote from Vic around, to the effect that building a strategy around two shields in PACG makes only slightly more sense than doing the same in real life, so yeah - that's pretty much the official stance.

I think it's certainly a viable strategy for Valeros, more so than such a quote would suggest.

I mean, with Core and Curse, post-Role Valeros can freely reveal shields to...

  • Reroll individual dice multiple times in combat (Various)
  • Stack bonuses to his combat checks (Klars)
  • Obviously, render himself all but immune to non-mental damage that isn't in extreme quantities (Various)
  • Use in combat, for Disable checks, or against Locks (Breakaway Shield)
  • Support local players with rerolls or preventing damage (Rare - Various)

    As I said though, I don't think it's an issue. Stacking 3 Shields (Breakaway Shield, a Klar and a Tower Shield, for example) gives Valeros some unique, potent qualities. But, unless he can seriously leverage party members giving him cards (or acquiring allies off-turn with his power) he's going to have a very hard time exploring more than 1-2 cards a turn with his remaining hand size.

    As a point of comparison; Wizards or Sorcerers could be stacking defensive spells, anti-barrier spells and combat spells in a hand and still have a larger quantity of cards left over to explore and support with, for example. Albeit with less consistency than the "reveal to reroll, reveal to reduce damage, reveal to destroy locks, etc" that Valeros is using, but with various other advantages and less reliance on power feats.


  • Yewstance wrote:
    Longshot11 wrote:
    There was a quote from Vic around, to the effect that building a strategy around two shields in PACG makes only slightly more sense than doing the same in real life, so yeah - that's pretty much the official stance.

    I think it's certainly a viable strategy for Valeros, more so than such a quote would suggest.

    Quote was pre-Core and concerned the viability of then-available characters keeping 2+ shields in their hand to be able to continuously reduce Combat damage.

    Even with this Valeros, the exploration capacity point stands, esp. in 6-p games.


    Captain America dual shielding.

    I think it's fine.


    zeroth_hour2 wrote:

    Captain America dual shielding.

    I think it's fine.

    LOL :D

    To be fair, those would probably be considered a pair of Scizores :)

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