Training Charisma IC?


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What In-Character methods are there to train your Charisma? And to be clear, I don't mean increasing it with magic, but rather the increases that you get every 4 levels (and other nonmagical bonuses).
I know I could simply fluff it as improving naturally with time and experience, but I have a story reason that requires a character to actively work on their Charisma getting better. And to be clear again, I mean CHARISMA, not just social skills.


Charisma stat may represent many different qualities, including (but not limited to) intuition, confidence, personal magnetism or appearance. An increase in Charisma can be seen as an improvement of these qualities.


Yes, but the question is, HOW do you improve them?


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Wouldn't an ability increase simply be an ongoing development, rather than the result of training? I like to think I'm wiser now than when I was twenty. But I never trained for that.


Anarchy_Kanya wrote:
I know I could simply fluff it as improving naturally with time and experience, but I have a story reason that requires a character to actively work on their Charisma getting better.


Maybe working as a host?


Wouldn't that be more appropriate for training social skills? To be clear, I'm asking about Charisma, not skills. And yes, I do realize that greatly limits available options. That's why I'm stumped.


All manners of training are skill based though. Even lifting weights is a skill. What you have to find is the task that most broadly applies to the entire stat.


I meant the Skills like Diplomacy or Bluff. You can relatively easily imagine the fluff of training those. It's way harder for Charisma.


As VRMH says, I see it not as a result of of some specific training, but of a slow development that from time to time warrants the increase in the numerical value of an ability score.

For Charisma it may be a reflection of the character trying to be more decisive, or gradually improving their body language etc. It doesn't even have to be something they do consciously.


Anarchy_Kanya wrote:
Wouldn't that be more appropriate for training social skills? To be clear, I'm asking about Charisma, not skills. And yes, I do realize that greatly limits available options. That's why I'm stumped.

Working as a host or a job that makes an effort to deal with people would improve both, but if you aren't increasing your diplomacy you could say your general demeanor changes becoming a more sociable person (charisma) but you never remember or pick up the ability to make a conscious effort to win people over (diplomacy)

This is fantasy setting so it's also within reason that these things increase to superhuman levels the way characters in comics or mangas who are technically normal humans develop abilities beyond reasonable limits.

The character becomes a high level adventurer and charismatic appeal shines out their ass. The sun shines at their back when they enter town and glittery lights appears around their eyes when they smile.


Adjoint wrote:

As VRMH says, I see it not as a result of of some specific training, but of a slow development that from time to time warrants the increase in the numerical value of an ability score.

For Charisma it may be a reflection of the character trying to be more decisive, or gradually improving their body language etc. It doesn't even have to be something they do consciously.

See, I get that, I really do. That doesn't really help me though. Except the bolded part, which is a good suggestion.


Doompatrol wrote:
Anarchy_Kanya wrote:
Wouldn't that be more appropriate for training social skills? To be clear, I'm asking about Charisma, not skills. And yes, I do realize that greatly limits available options. That's why I'm stumped.
Working as a host or a job that makes an effort to deal with people would improve both, but if you aren't increasing your diplomacy you could say your general demeanor changes becoming a more sociable person (charisma) but you never remember or pick up the ability to make a conscious effort to win people over (diplomacy)

I guess that could work. Just need to come up with similar kind of job within an orc tribe.


Orc tribe might have a herald for the chief. But orcs don’t have a lot of good options for training charisma.


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IRL, charisma is a learned skill, not a genetic trait. So, IRL, you can increase your charisma through a variety of means.

If you don't grow up in a family where these skills are taught from an early age, then you can take classes and workshops to learn them. Or you can learn them experientially.

You can take workshops to learn how to manage small-talk more gracefully. Or join clubs like Toastmasters to practice giving presentations and speeches. You can take classes in etiquette.

You can have a mentor who sits next to you at a banquet and quietly coaches you on appropriate conversational topics and good manners. You can stay with the family of a best friend or romantic interest and learn by observing how to be more charming.

If you are on the spectrum, you can learn to keep eye contact and other social skills that may not come naturally.

Everyone can increase their charisma by discovering the techniques that help make other people feel comfortable and listened to. Practicing them on a daily basis will make you more charismatic over time.

So the increase can be either slow and incremental, or sudden and noticeable. Or both.


Googling "how to practice charisma" brings up a bunch of stuff. Probably some of it is both reasonable and applicable. (Orcs read self-improvement books, right?)


If it’s about force of will, then something like fasting or a walkabout could apply.


Working on being more assertive like too many characters from 80s movies? Instead of letting people walk all over you, get bolder.


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Lathiira wrote:
Working on being more assertive like too many characters from 80s movies? Instead of letting people walk all over you, get bolder.

When I first read the original post I did get a flashback to Sgt. Hooks, "Dirtbag!".


I personaly always liked
"reading tongue twisters to improve speech"
"Learning the local etiqutes"
"Just talking to strangers and getting better at interactions"
"grooming daily"


Be decisive. Do what you choose to do without backing down, be forthright and confront people about the issue, and have confidence about your position and capabilities.

Of course, the above is just vague principles that do not have enough information for application... but the same can be said about the thread over all.

Charisma tends to shift wildly in meaning depending on the kind of creature and social position involved. A beautiful noble smoozes and slips themselves into the conversation. A spy lies without any hesitation. A hag horrifies. A dragon dominates. A sorcerer uses sheer will to move the forces of magic.

Charisma has been a catch all stat that defines a large number of intangible mental qualities. But the general connection between these uses is a strong force of will. Exercise that will, much like a muscle. And just like muscle training, specific lead to different advice- you need very different exercises to biceps, triceps, calves, and abs.


isn't this what the movie "my fair lady" is literally about? Granted the transformation probably represents more then just a +1.

IMO, it could be simply something as being better at recognizing and picking up on social cues. I think it largely depends on what you think the charisma stat represents.

from the book:

Charisma wrote:
Charisma measures a character’s personality, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and appearance.

So, increasing charisma by +1 could be just be as simple as the character getting one of those TV makeovers where the person not only gets their wardrobe tossed for something more flattering, but they are shown how to present themselves better. These kinds of transformations are (hopefully) more then just cosmetic as they tend to give advice to help the person not slip back into their previous bad habits.

Perhaps they've read a bunch of books on management and relationships and have made a concerted effort to incorporate what they're read into their daily life. It hasn't changed who they are as a person, but it has altered how they try to treat others.

Lastly, maybe they've hired a "life coach" who has worked with them to address one or more of the things up above. After all, training doesn't have to be a solitary endeavor.


If I had to flavor this into a comprehensive, holistic fluff to describe how I was actively working on improving the qualities that are bundled together as Charisma, I would say it would come down to self-reflection, personal psychoanalysis, and resolution of inner conflicts/inner demons.

What is "presence"? What is "force of personality"? How does that differ from "force of will"?

I think what it boils down to is removing self doubt, knowing who you *are*, what you stand for. And for those with a high Charisma, this would result in confidence in your choices *because you know why you are making them*. It would result in a higher skill ceiling for your social dynamics because you would understand your *self* well enough that your brain isn't trying to work out how you *want* to react and instead is able to focus solely on what to say or do. Your *presence* is forceful because it is fully present in the moment, and you are not distracted by other thoughts crowding out your focus.

So... if I were to describe this in game... you'd be spending time in meditation, reflecting on your (character's) goals, inspirations, desires. You'd be investigating your fears, the things holding you back. You'd be working through the less than useful qualities in your psyche that you carry around and that impede your progress through life.

You could also be journaling, spending time reviewing your entries, coming to terms with decisions you made that you now disagree with. As a player, you could go through your backstory to pull out things your character could be working on.


For a member of an orc tribe, I believe that a period in a minor leadership position (like a squad leader) would make an individual more proficient in giving orders in a way that are immediately obeyed, picking moods of their subordinates and generally being a more efficient leader - i.e. more charismatic. In case they are to young and inexperienced to be trusted with such position, they could have picked up some clues about how to behave from others: their commander, the speaker at a gathering, or even a foreign trader that visited the tribe.


While I realize this isn't helpful in a straightforward manner, what I want to ask is does anyone bother explaining how our characters improve their strength, dex, con, int, or wis? No, not in my experience.

While the physical stats are pretty easy to imagine, the others are less so. But despite that, I've never had anyone at my tables really ask "How did you get better at X". It's just not something we cover.

Perhaps for your games it is more important to you, but I just want to say that its not necessary to justify how one improves the mental stats.

Personally, I would say you have a "montage" type scene where the character walks in less charismatic and walks out more charismatic. Besides, the rest of the players probably aren't interested in watching their friend slowly improve. I might be wrong on that too, I'm just talking from my point of view.

Best of luck and happy gaming.


Well, I was gonna do that thing you do when you play Pathfinder, you know, roleplay the character's training.
Generally I enjoy the "game" part a bit more the "roleplay" part, but I'm trying to get more into it.


Adventure paths include plenty of social interaction (mostly). Are you the party face? If not, do that. Make the rolls, talk with the NPCs, build relationships and connections.

This concept is weird to me and it seems like much of it is your choice and nobody else's, due to how charisma can be interpreted so many different ways. To put it as simply as I can, think of what charisma means to you and then... well... do those things more.

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