2nd edition notation


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I probably should have reviewed 1st edition notation 1st before this post, but I have not.

Has the community decided on shorthand notation for 2nd edition?

1st edition
CoreRulebook = CR

2nd edition
CoreRulebook = CR2

1st edition
Bestiary = ?? B?

2nd edition = B2?

1st Edition
Game master Guide = GMG ?

2nd edition
Game Master Guide = GMG2

1st edition
Advanced Class Guide = ACG
and so on

2nd edition Bestiary
Bestiary 2 2nd edition = ???? B2,2??

And so on

I realize we only know a few 2nd edition books
But some agreed on Notation is nice to have


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I'm just going to call the books by the version that is currently supported. The CRB is going to mean the 2nd edition CRB and if I absolutely have to refer to the other book I'll specify 1e CRB.

I expect that posts on a PF1e specific forum will be the opposite. They will assume that CRB means the 1st edition book.

I'm not going to bother talking on a PF2nd specific forum/thread and call things CRB 2e.


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And B2 definitely doesn't work as a unique designation for the (1st) Bestiary for 2nd edition, as up until now that designation has been used for Bestiary 2, aka the 2nd Bestiary for Pathfinder 1st edition.


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How often would the edition difference not be clear from context? Like if we're discussing a PF2 AP or how a PF2 barbarian ability works, it should be clear we're not talking about first edition books.

If we're comparing and contrasting editions, we'll "PF1" and "PF2" or the like a lot.


Staff have been using PF2 to denote second edition in general

I agree with possible cabbage, the context is going to make things obvious for the most part. Just like we can tell apart Starfinder and Pathfinder materials. If you're posting in the PF2 forums, we'll all know that you aren't talking about PF1, unless you explicitly say you are.

When absolutely necessary, I suggest PF1 Bestiary and PF2 Bestiary. No need for a whole bunch of other of abbreviations that people may not know about or use consistently.


Agreed. Not required, and would never be adhered to if such a thing was a thing.

It never was for PF1, with people referring to at least "Core", "CRB", "CR", "core only".

Realistically, in not very long nobody will be talking about PF1 outside of the forum areas designated for it. Anyone talking PF2 will be doing so in forum areas designated for it. Anyone comparing the two editions will have made their intent clear.

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I mean, every D&D edition has a Monster Manual and people aren't killing themselves over that.


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Lets take the Microsoft approach: the second edition of Pathfinder is now Pathfinder One... or 10. Pick any, but just be inconsistent.

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Anguish wrote:


It never was for PF1, with people referring to at least "Core", "CRB", "CR", "core only".

Which was always confusing for me, because I remember years ago when Sean Reynolds explained that from Paizo's perspective, the hardcover books that didn't include "Inner Sea" in the title were the "core" products, so I always thought "core only" was shorthand for "no softcover splatbooks" not "just the CRB".

Shorthand is only as useful as the community's ability to reach consensus and then disseminate the information :P

Kind of tangential, Luis Loza and I had an entertaining moment in the office the other day when I called Base Attack Bonus "Bab" and he immediately jumped in with "Yes! Someone else says 'bab' instead of 'bee-ay-bee'! It's not just me!"


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Microsoft Way
Golarian FE = 1st Edition
Golarian SE = 2nd Edition


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Boomstik101 wrote:
Lets take the Microsoft approach: the second edition of Pathfinder is now Pathfinder One... or 10. Pick any, but just be inconsistent.

I'm pretty excited for Pathfinder 360.

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Rhyst wrote:

Microsoft Way

Golarian FE = 1st Edition
Golarian SE = 2nd Edition

Historian Way

BSE = Before Second Edition
SE = Second Edition


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3Doubloons wrote:
Rhyst wrote:

Microsoft Way

Golarian FE = 1st Edition
Golarian SE = 2nd Edition

Historian Way

BSE = Before Second Edition
SE = Second Edition

Nice, but it'll have to change every edition. Just use Current Edition/Before Current Edition (CE/BCE). Confusing historians is the icing on the cake.

Liberty's Edge

I'm not sure if there is an officially accepted one yet, in fact I'm pretty sure Paizo themselves haven't settled on a final decision yet as I took the time to ask around at Paizocon on the topic.

That being said, every time I've heard it in conversation I've either heard "P2" or "PF2" and I expect one of those are going to be the one that sticks so you'll end up with: PF2 LOWG or P2 LOWG for the Lost Omens World Guide.


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There is no PF1 LOWG, so no need to discern.

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Though I suspect we might just go with WG1, WG2, etc. We've already announced multiple Lost Omens World Guides, and the singular one in PF1 was the ISWG. It'd be a lot easier to use "WGX" as an acronym since it'll fit more easily in running text.

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That makes plenty of sense, but it's a shame we will lose all those LOWG'r jobs and the income they'd generate. :P


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We could also use the Roman method.

"PF during the 3rd year of the Trump administration".

See? Quick and absolutely not jingoistic ;P


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Michael Sayre wrote:
Kind of tangential, Luis Loza and I had an entertaining moment in the office the other day when I called Base Attack Bonus "Bab" and he immediately jumped in with "Yes! Someone else says 'bab' instead of 'bee-ay-bee'! It's not just me!"

Our tables are all "Bab" as in "babble". One syllable better than three.


Anguish wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
Kind of tangential, Luis Loza and I had an entertaining moment in the office the other day when I called Base Attack Bonus "Bab" and he immediately jumped in with "Yes! Someone else says 'bab' instead of 'bee-ay-bee'! It's not just me!"
Our tables are all "Bab" as in "babble". One syllable better than three.

Oooh, from now on I am deliberately saying "Babble" instead of "Bab" or even "Bee-Ay-Bee" as I have all this time. Thank you for this!

I think my players will probably wonder who introduced me to this concept and cultivate their displeasure accordingly. Don't worry though, I will keep your identity a secret from them. You can rest assured, I will never talk... only babble! :D


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Gorbacz wrote:
I mean, every D&D edition has a Monster Manual and people aren't killing themselves over that.

Wait, they aren’t?! We’ll have to fix that


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Michael Sayre wrote:
Kind of tangential, Luis Loza and I had an entertaining moment in the office the other day when I called Base Attack Bonus "Bab" and he immediately jumped in with "Yes! Someone else says 'bab' instead of 'bee-ay-bee'! It's not just me!"

If that makes you two feel better, it's pretty much the universal reading in Italy :P

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Ediwir wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
Kind of tangential, Luis Loza and I had an entertaining moment in the office the other day when I called Base Attack Bonus "Bab" and he immediately jumped in with "Yes! Someone else says 'bab' instead of 'bee-ay-bee'! It's not just me!"
If that makes you two feel better, it's pretty much the universal reading in Italy :P

Same in France :-D

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