Product idea: Print reference cards for AP monsters


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This idea spawned from a concern I had about the long term growth of the product line in managing monsters in APs that utilize feats, spells, and abilities from multiple resources, but understanding why it is a problem to have to list every monster ability in APs that are cramped for space. It would be really cool for Future PF2 APs to have a supplemental condensed reference card or short booklet that was just a collection of the monsters in each chapter of the AP, that included the listings for the feats and spells those monsters (especially boss monsters) use, for folks playing on a table top without access to digital resource managers like hero-lab.


I mean, one thing that helps with this already is that monsters don't have feats any more - anything feat-like should just be printed in their statblock (or sometimes in the statblock of a monster of the same family, like how some of the bestiary examples we've seen work - but the reason why they do that is presumably because the ability is printed like a page or two back on the referenced monster, so there's no sense printing it twice in a row).

Spells you probably still need to look up, though.

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Well, PF2 monsters don't have feats and are designed to minimze the need for cross-referencing, so that all info you need to run the monster is in statblock. That's also supposed to eliminate the need for multiple books in order to run one monster.


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I would love these. I bought the crazy Beadle & Grimms Platinum edition for one of the 5e adventures and the only bonus thing/prop/ etc that I thought was amazing was the complete set of monster & npc reference cards. Each was about a 6" by 8" card, nice artwork on one side, and full stats on the back.

The fact that 2e monsters are simpler, makes this even more viable/possible IMO. There would be enough space, generally, to print the full monster stats and abilities, compared to full feats.


I am sure it will not be long, before it will be possible for monsters with class levels to be a thing and the cross book indexing to be a bane in pen and paper DMing. Even though it will likely come in the form of having monster ancestries, I am curious how that will work for creatures like actual dragons and demons. Now I am sure it will probably only be one or two monsters/NPCs per book that get abilities that involve a lot of cross referencing, but even once their is more than one Bestiary, there will fights where you might need two or three books to keep up.

I realize some folks will make these reference cards on their own, but if I had that kind of time, I'd probably be homing brewing more anyway.


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NielsenE wrote:

I would love these. I bought the crazy Beadle & Grimms Platinum edition for one of the 5e adventures and the only bonus thing/prop/ etc that I thought was amazing was the complete set of monster & npc reference cards. Each was about a 6" by 8" card, nice artwork on one side, and full stats on the back.

The fact that 2e monsters are simpler, makes this even more viable/possible IMO. There would be enough space, generally, to print the full monster stats and abilities, compared to full feats.

I loved nearly aspect of that first Beadle And Grimms Platinum edition. I've since signed up for their looming silver edition and the next Platinum Edition (for Descent into Avernus).

I really, really, really hope something like this eventuates down the track for PF2 APs. I was encouraged to learn they only printed 1000 of the first set (and that they sold them all). That's a pretty decent proof-of-concept in my mind, albeit the D&D market is probably bigger than the PF market.

The monster cards I've long argued for would be picture on one side and flavor-text-converying-information on the other tied to varying DCs of recall knowledge. I always struggle to convey that meaningfully in the game and end up just listing a handful of abilities.


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Ooh, hadn't noticed they had started up a platinum edition for Descent into Avernus, pre-ordered -- in spite of saying I wouldn't buy another B&G platinum after seeing the first one...

Yes, value wise I liked the collectors Rise of the Runelords edition more than the Dragon Heist one. The dargon heist one was more than double the cost and no individual component wow'd me as much as the nice hardbound book with the 'secret' pull-outs for the handouts that the runelord book had. The runelords book case was significantly better than the DragonHeist 'book' case -- both still felt a bit gimmicky/poorer materials/production value than I would have liked for the cost.

But those cards, really got me thinking and I'm going to need to find a way to make some of my own I think -- at least for AoA.

My 'dream' version of the card is probably a tent-folded card stock, each face 8"x6". Front side is art, back side is stats and lore. Designed to free stand (with the tent-fold), or maybe rest on a pole stand of some kind. While I'd love the DC & recall knowledge info that you suggest, that's likely requiring addition writing on the part of whomever makes them, rather than just cut & pasting existing content. Thus upping the production cost (and retail cost) if Paizo were to make them.

Maybe I should try making a few prototypes of what I'd like ... got a week until my next Tyrant's Grasp game and I think I'll have a couple of 'new' (to the players) monsters to use....


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It would be nifty to have some laminated blank monster sheets that I could fill out with the information so I could reuse the card, and only really include the stuff I need, or any stat changes I make.

At the end of the session, I can write a new monster for the next encounter as well!


NielsenE wrote:

I would love these. I bought the crazy Beadle & Grimms Platinum edition for one of the 5e adventures and the only bonus thing/prop/ etc that I thought was amazing was the complete set of monster & npc reference cards. Each was about a 6" by 8" card, nice artwork on one side, and full stats on the back.

The fact that 2e monsters are simpler, makes this even more viable/possible IMO. There would be enough space, generally, to print the full monster stats and abilities, compared to full feats.

A monster manual that looked more like a card collector binder would be sort of cool. It would be an upgrade over the AD&D monster manual binder. They may as well get as much value out of the more concise monster stats as they possibly can.


ErichAD wrote:
NielsenE wrote:

I would love these. I bought the crazy Beadle & Grimms Platinum edition for one of the 5e adventures and the only bonus thing/prop/ etc that I thought was amazing was the complete set of monster & npc reference cards. Each was about a 6" by 8" card, nice artwork on one side, and full stats on the back.

The fact that 2e monsters are simpler, makes this even more viable/possible IMO. There would be enough space, generally, to print the full monster stats and abilities, compared to full feats.

A monster manual that looked more like a card collector binder would be sort of cool. It would be an upgrade over the AD&D monster manual binder. They may as well get as much value out of the more concise monster stats as they possibly can.

You'd have to be careful about stepping on proprietary toes, and if Paizo themselves did it, it would be awesome, but a product of plasticized cards with a picture of the monster on one side and stats that could be written on with a dry erase marker on the other would certainly be something that a lot of folks that are not playing with online resources would love.


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I made a trial version of the reference cards I'd want for a module I ran this weekend. Took an image, rotated 180 degrees, on the top half of a piece of paper, and slightly condensed stat block on the bottom half. So tent folded, image is right side up facing the table, stat right side up facing me.

Didn't break out any 'real' page layout software, just Google Docs and didn't fight with it too much, so there's a lot of wasted space on the stats side. Found them semi-useful. I'll have to think a bit more about why it was less useful than anticipated. Players seemed to enjoy the artwork, but didn't feel as impactful as other time/prep investments.

The biggest help was simply having a print out of the stats at all (one of those modules where all the stat blocks just reference a bestiary, so no stats inline), and therefore not juggling two books at the table.

Still planning to make similar cards for my Tyrant's Grasps session next weekend, along with a PFS scenario.

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