Sudden shifting behind an enemy


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Sudden shift lets you teleport up to 10ft to a space you can see, so RAW you can't teleport behind an enemy, but i'm wondering if that's always the case.

Let's say i'm against a regular, M sized humanoid in position A while i'm in B:

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O O O
O A O
O B O

Am i not able to see the floor behind him? Is it impossible for me to see any of the 3 squares behind him?


I'd probably let you teleport to the space on the other side of A, but that doesn't do you much good. Pathfinder doesn't have facing rules, so there is no "behind" to take advantage of. He'll be facing you just as much after the teleport as before.


What i'm interested in is getting behind enemy lines / joining an ally / flanking with an ally that's next to me...etc.

If i can get behind an enemy with one teleport instead of two it makes the ability much better


5 foot shift then do it. No issues then. I think you can see the spot though myself.


Patol wrote:

What i'm interested in is getting behind enemy lines / joining an ally / flanking with an ally that's next to me...etc.

If i can get behind an enemy with one teleport instead of two it makes the ability much better

Oh, that should work fine then IMO. A Medium humanoid may be moving around in its entire space, but it clearly doesn't occupy the whole 5'x5' at once. That's why creatures only provide soft cover, not total cover like a block of stone there would.


Ok thanks

Do you think it's possible to force the activation of sudden shift by having an ally miss me on purpose?


Don't see why not, as long as their reach is long enough to get you where you want.


Nothing personnel, kid.

Grand Lodge

At best a creature provides cover when aiming behind them. That's significantly different than line of sight.
I see no reason you couldn't shift behind an enemy.


In general, creatures don't block line of sight. But if you're on either side of a fully-"prone" elder worm, I could see an argument.


Agreed. Unless you're a 5 by 5 by 5 cube of meat, likely theres a spot to see by.

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