What Creature or Creatures Are the Opposite of Celestials?


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So I'm looking at putting together an adventure where the PCs encounter a Celestial, who for whatever reason, can't be with his love, the (opposite) of what he is. She loves him in turn and laments that they can't be together. But I'm not sure what creature she would be.


Fiends. Demons, devils, and other evil outsiders. Note some outsiders are evil in alignment but not necessarily considered fiends, like evil elementals, genie, or mythos creatures.

So... why can't they be together? Just their alignment incompatibility or are there outside forces?

It's a pretty cliche tale but I'm a sucker for it.


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LOL... I'm basing it on the title of an early Pink Floyd album, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn". He is in love with a woman who represents the setting of the sun and darkness. Despite her alignment, if she ends up being evil, she is still in love with the Piper. The PCs encounter them while seeking a shortcut in the mountains on their way to their destination. The Piper asks they take a gift to her and she has one to give in return. Because they represent day and night they can never truly be together and must remain separated. It's a corny premise but I think the players will enjoy it.

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If you want to play up, how about a celestial servant of Sarenrae and a unique shadow, intelligent and perhaps not evil, but they can't be together because he serves a force that can kill her by its very presence


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It reminds me of the movie Lady Hawk.


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Uinuja Azata (Chaotic good guardian of dreams) to represent night, some kind of Archon to represent the day?


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
LOL... I'm basing it on the title of an early Pink Floyd album, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn".

Originally a, rather hallucinatory, chapter in English children's book "The Wind in the Willows". Recommended reading. If it's good enough for Syd...


Tsukiyo wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
LOL... I'm basing it on the title of an early Pink Floyd album, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn".
Originally a, rather hallucinatory, chapter in English children's book "The Wind in the Willows". Recommended reading. If it's good enough for Syd...

Heh, I guess I'll have to look for that...lol


I am Gumby wrote:

It reminds me of the movie Lady Hawk.

I've never seen the movie.


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Matthew and Val'bryn2, I think you two have given me the ideas I need to take off with this thing. Thanks!


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Also reminds me of the song "Shadow's Love" by Tezaura.

All the day I hate Earth for turning
All the night I long for your burning
You’re the Sun and hurting me is your duty
I will just always dream of your beauty


DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I am Gumby wrote:

It reminds me of the movie Lady Hawk.

I've never seen the movie.

Classic 80s fantasy movie, and you can never go wrong with Rutger Hauer.


The only thing I remember seeing Rutger Hauer in was "The Hitcher". Pretty intense movie, if I recall. Watched in a friend's dorm room. One of the guys swore he'd never pick up another hitchhiker again.

EDIT: Was he in "Bladerunner", too?


My first thought was Inarius and Lilith from Diablo. Goes to show that this is well tread ground.


It is, without a doubt. But I wanted to do something besides the typical murder hobo stuff for this game. It's cliche' as hell, I know. But it's the first time in 34 years of GMing that I've ever done it. It'll be something pretty new as far as that goes.


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Should clarify by "well tread ground" I don't mean to criticize it as being cliche or anything; the use of a trope isn't a sin in and of itself, just gotta find an interesting way to use it. More mean that there are a lot of examples out there on what's worked in the past that you can draw from as inspiration.

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Actually, have you considered going a slightly different direction? Instead of the classic Romeo and Juliet "our families/species hates each other", maybe they are trying to undo a promotion of a celestial because it resulted in two spirits (or more) being merged, with one going dormant? Or they take turns in control of the body, as per the myth of Castor and Pollux, where the wish to share immortality meant they were eternally separated?


That's a pretty interesting take. I like it.

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