Okay I get that the familiar doesn't get class skill bonuses for the masters class skills.
What I don't see is any info on if the familiar gets its class skill bonus for its class skills when the skill rank is from the master and not the familiar. So familiar has zero skill ranks in said skill. Master has at least 1.
Acrobatics is a class skill. No ranks from familiar master has 3 ranks.
+2 from dex so 5 or 8?
My sheet(YAPCG) says 5.
I really question a lot of how the sheet is doing things with these skill. Hmm going to post all the suspicious stuff. Master is 4th level.
Acrobatics 5 (3 ranks from master +2 dex) Class skill for Familiar.
Climb 3 (1 rank from master +2 dex) Class skill for Familiar.
Fly 23 (7 ranks...+2 dex +14 misc. Which I assume is a +14 size bonus, no idea where all those ranks came from.) Master has no ranks in fly. Class skill for Familiar.
Perception 9 (7 ranks...master has 4. +2 wis and skill focus perception. I'm guessing it's using the masters 4 ranks and skill focus +3 and then the +2 wis for 9. It's just not shown like that.) Class skill for Familiar. Again no class skill bonus.
Stealth: 14 (Okay this one is right +2 dex and +12 size bonus) Class skill for Familiar however, no ranks for master or familiar.
What think they should be:
Acrobatics: 5, 8 if familiars gets a class bonus for master's skill ranks.
Climb: 3, 6 if familiars gets a class bonus for master's skill ranks.
Fly: A Thrush should normally have a fly of +12. Okay I have since looked up size bonuses. It should be +6 for a Thrush. So +6 size, +2 dex, +1 rank, +3 class skill for +12. Which I see no reason it should be any different in this case. So 23 should be 12. :(
Perception: (+2 wis, +3 skill focus, +4 master skill ranks for +9) +12 if familiars gets a class bonus for master's skill ranks.
Stealth: Correct at 14.
Thoughts? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. :)
Okay I get that the familiar doesn't get class skill bonuses for the masters class skills.
What I don't see is any info on if the familiar gets its class skill bonus for its class skills when the skill rank is from the master and not the familiar. So familiar has zero skill ranks in said skill. Master has at least 1.
IIRC this is one of those things that gets debated here a lot w/o consensus. I'm on the side that says that "inheriting" skill ranks from your master is just like having them yourself (though they overlap with yours instead of stacking, of course). So the familiar gets the +3 for any of its class skills where either it or its master has ranks.
Ultimately, you'll need to check with your GM (or make the call, if you are the GM).
Thanks.
Any thoughts on the math for some of the above skills with out paying any respect to the class skill in the calculations? :)
Skills: For each skill in which either the master or the familiar has ranks, use either the normal skill ranks for an animal of that type or the master’s skill ranks, whichever is better. In either case, the familiar uses its own ability modifiers. Regardless of a familiar’s total skill modifiers, some skills may remain beyond the familiar’s ability to use. Familiars treat Acrobatics, Climb, Fly, Perception, Stealth, and Swim as class skills.
The familiar inherits ranks and only ranks; it applies its own modifiers. Inheriting a rank is just like having one, so it'd trigger the familiar's class skill bonus if applicable, as the class skill bonus is a modifier. I can't see a rational position for debate on whether inheriting a rank counts as having a rank.
The rules list which skills are class skills for a familiar. A familiar gets the +3 trained bonus to those skills (assuming that it or its master has ranks in those skills) and no others, barring archetypes or other special situations that alter the familiar's class skills.
Okay thanks. I think I'm right with the rest of the math. :)