Where are all the fey?


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Between the Alien Archives I and II, we have maybe 6 fey. Are there any others published out there? Where have they all gone? Are they and endangered creature type in Starfinder?

These are the ones I'm aware of:


  • Asteray (AA, 18)
  • Calecor (AA2, 24)
  • Gremlin, Glitch / Ship Glitch (AA2, 68)
  • Hesper (AA, 62)
  • Ravai (AA2, 106)
  • Svartalfar (AP #11, 60)

Do you have any theories on where they might be? Discuss.


Fey portals/influences tend to exist in wild and untamed areas, and there are fewer of those in the Pact Worlds with industrialization and greater populations.

I think there's references in the Verces sections of Pact Worlds to brightside fey shrines/deactivated portals to the First World.

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Probably in Bestiary 1-6, and the diverse pathfinder APs ;)


In the First World.


You will probably see more space fey.


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Fey are competing with a bajillion other types of critters, many of whom are much more conceptually "core" for a space opera setting. Its not a question of "Why can't we have more fey?", its a question of "So, which critters would you sacrifice to add a fey writeup, and how would you justify this?"

( Which is not an unanswerable question, I'd gladly trade the Vlaka and their child abuse for, say, a fey that is basically like a nymph or dryad only for an asteroid. However, its still a matter of triage and tradeoffs. )


Wherever Golarion went. There aren't a lot of forests in space for Fey to hang out in.


Hey, its only Vlakan child abuse if you look at it from earth.

I'm sure they'd look at humans making children eat vegetables as some form of torture, but the Vlaka forum is pretty quiet as far as xeno-judging goes.


I missed something, what's the abuse in question?


For cultural reasons, Vlaka born blind or deaf are left blind or deaf, despite easy techno-medical fixes for those conditions.


Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
I missed something, what's the abuse in question?
Vlaka wrote:
Around two-thirds of vlakas are born blind or deaf. Although they have long had access to magic and technology that can mitigate or remove such conditions, not all vlakas choose to do so, valuing the cultural touchstones such as language and perspective variances that are associated with differing ways of sensing the world.

A lot of people regard refusal to correct congenital defects in children as a form of abuse or neglect. The deaf community has some very angry people who disagree. The circumcision and footbinding communities in Starfinder have not yet been heard from.


...well now I want to know how many alien civilizations 'discovered' circumcision.

Asking for a friend.


Pantshandshake wrote:
For cultural reasons, Vlaka born blind or deaf are left blind or deaf, despite easy techno-medical fixes for those conditions.

Those conditions aren't addressed at birth no, but I didn't read that they prohibited it either, and in fact some do. So parents won't decide on surgery for something non-life threatening for the child and instead let them decide.

Also there's the fact that Vlaka actually get innate abilities to offset being either blind or deaf.

Other than that I'm not as informed as much on the subject concerning the blind and deaf communities so I'll leave it at that.


Eh, my take on a lot of things usually falls into the 'We, as humans, probably shouldn't use ethics and morals that we made up from whole cloth over the history of our species to judge an alien society.'

That way lies nothing but inter-species war.

Somewhat more topical, regarding Fey, I'll take a stance my Kingmaker character has been taking for a couple years now: Fey might as well be intelligent animals. They don't have a soul, and they don't deserve to share the future with humanity.

(Note: I don't know if they have souls, as a player. that character is just anti-fey.)

Discuss.


Pantshandshake wrote:

Eh, my take on a lot of things usually falls into the 'We, as humans, probably shouldn't use ethics and morals that we made up from whole cloth over the history of our species to judge an alien society.'

That way lies nothing but inter-species war.

Somewhat more topical, regarding Fey, I'll take a stance my Kingmaker character has been taking for a couple years now: Fey might as well be intelligent animals. They don't have a soul, and they don't deserve to share the future with humanity.

(Note: I don't know if they have souls, as a player. that character is just anti-fey.)

Discuss.

Isn't there a bit of conflict between those two statements?

Should we use human ethics and morality to judge Fey? Is this other alien species just intelligent animals?


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Pantshandshake wrote:
For cultural reasons, Vlaka born blind or deaf are left blind or deaf, despite easy techno-medical fixes for those conditions.

I bet that shirren and lashunta might have similar ideas to the ones suggested in this thread about the general refusal of other races to fix all those babies who are born with no telepathic ability whatsoever.


For the purposes of this conversation:
Vlaka are a sentient species with their own culture and planet. Casting aspersions on them for 'child abuse' would be like going from the US to... I don't know, pick a country that drives on the left, and informing them that their entire culture is wrong, because driving on the left is wrong.

(As far as my personal opinions on Fey in Starfinder go: I embrace anything weird or cool in this setting. So as long as they're weird or cool Fey, put 'em in a book.)

As far as my characters are (generally) concerned, Fey are basically magical parrots. Anything that seems like human-level intelligence is just some weird convergence of luck and evolution. They were a relic from a bygone era that had no business interfering in mortal societies on Golarion, and that goes double now that some amount of time has passed and we get to explore the stars.

I won't advocate their extermination unless we get to a 'rabbits in Australia' kind of thing, but I'd 100% cast my vote to relegate them to a small handful of planets that would serve as Fey Reservations.

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How did vlaka get into this discussion to begin with?

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On to fey. The few fey seen in the AAs so far are kinda techno-fey, which is cool, but those are also a bit harder to come up with than traditional fey (which you can just steal from any culture that's not watching its pockets).

I think a more center-stage fey book for Starfinder would be very cool, but it can join in the queue after a "what are the outer planes like now that the prime material plane is techno" book.


Pantshandshake wrote:
For cultural reasons, Vlaka born blind or deaf are left blind or deaf, despite easy techno-medical fixes for those conditions.

Of course, in Vlakan society, that might not be perceived as something to "fix". Given that all Vlaka, by the rules, know signed and tactile versions of their language, it's a safe bet that Vlakan society has very much adapted around the range of senses the typical Vlaka has, such that being deaf or blind in their society isn't really a disability to begin with.


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Considering how easy it is for a starship to punch through the Planes using the Drift, I would imagine we will be seeing the First World soon.


thecursor wrote:
Considering how easy it is for a starship to punch through the Planes using the Drift, I would imagine we will be seeing the First World soon.

I wouldn't count on that. From what I've seen the drift drives only punch through whatever plane you're on to the plane of the Drift. And can drag in bits of the plane it leaves and enters, into the drift.

But I could be wrong on that.

Anywyas, my point is that as far as I understand the drift drive only allows for movement between the plane of the drift and the material plane. And it's only the material plane because that's where the star ships start out. As far as I'm aware we haven't seen a drift drive capable of traveling to other planes than the material and drift.

Though I could see a potential future where we have an improved drift drive capable of travelling in between any planes, like a plane shift effect.


Claxon wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Considering how easy it is for a starship to punch through the Planes using the Drift, I would imagine we will be seeing the First World soon.

I wouldn't count on that. From what I've seen the drift drives only punch through whatever plane you're on to the plane of the Drift. And can drag in bits of the plane it leaves and enters, into the drift.

But I could be wrong on that.

Anywyas, my point is that as far as I understand the drift drive only allows for movement between the plane of the drift and the material plane. And it's only the material plane because that's where the star ships start out. As far as I'm aware we haven't seen a drift drive capable of traveling to other planes than the material and drift.

Though I could see a potential future where we have an improved drift drive capable of travelling in between any planes, like a plane shift effect.

Witchwyrd's have a drive capable of going to other planes in addition to the drift.

Drift drives break off a slice of random planes when activated. Actually a major part of the background for dead suns.

Regular drift drives don't work off the material plane. I think that's from Signal of Screams' write up on the shadow plane.


So there exist special drift drives that do work on planes other than the material, but they're not the norm.

And for some reason, regular drift drives rip off pieces of planes randomly and drag it into the drift. Even though I'm playing Dead Suns and I'm pretty sure we've been through that revelation I think I keep forgetting it because it doesn't make sense to me. It makes sense that it would rip pieces from the plane you're on, not from other random planes. But I guess its a lot less scary if it only worked that way, and is in part critical to the plot of the AP.


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I kind of view the Fey as having outsized influence on backwoods and hipster locales throughout the galaxy. The Eldest still apparently enjoy a considerable amount of popularity - even moreso than a good half of the original core 20 from yore days of old Golarion. What with so many unscrupulous corporations raping and pillaging natural resources galaxy-wide, the same problems that led to the formation of the Xenowardens probably provoked a lot of the same interest from the fey (I seem to recall the First World is loosely impacted by events on the material plane).

It seems kind of silly to me that civilization expanding from one planet to hundreds or thousands of planets would make fey influence smaller - as if nature only existed on a few worlds scattered throughout. If anything, we're probably seeing more of the First World than ever before, as the golden age of galactic exploitation and colonialism is still in its peak - disturbing potentially thousands of First World-touched havens. I imagine distant Pact Worlds colonists signing contracts with powerful Eldest to defend their homes against pirates and invaders where no Steward bothers to help, or fey con artists enchanting hundreds of television viewers with dubiously legal technomantic charm magic, or highly exclusive brands importing valuable commodities straight from the First World.

Fey are adaptable. Heck, Hespers learned to bond to a starship's nuclear energy - and are now more common than ever before - and Asterays live out in the void of space amid asteroids and starship wreckage. As long as there's something reminiscent of a natural world still around, the fey will find some way to force their way in and make themselves somebody's business, like it or not. Leaving well enough alone is one of the few things they've never been very good at.

My biggest question is - now that the Material Plane (and the Shadow Plane) have developed intersystem civilizations - has the First World suddenly expanded in scope as well? Is the First World as we knew it from Golarion days even still around?


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I for one am interested in seeing the Wild Hunt... IN SPACE!.

Also vilderavn.

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