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Freaking HECK YEAH! So close, and just as I was starting to worry!


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Only 85 left :D

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I mean.... perhaps... 85?


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Ediwir wrote:
I mean.... perhaps... 85?

Gob gob, offers to shiney one. Shiney one no notice with so much other goodies. Gob is good gob. Gob is smart gob.


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It's funny because that's the last one :P


Honestly, if Jason lets us fly with Edi's Spoiler God card, I'd be extremely happy. If he doesn't...... SOMEONE FIND 85 ALREADY DAMNIT!


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Apparently Ryan Costello seems to have found #85, but it's not about spoiler gods so I believe it might be fake.


As an aside, massively weird question about one of the cards........ Card 30, it says "Whenever your proficiency rank for simple weapons increases, your proficiency rank for unarmed attacks increases to the same rank unless it’s already better." I thought unarmed attacks were already "simple" weapons, so they'd already keep pace unless stated otherwise (like with a Monk, who gains extra proficiency with unarmed ALONE). So I don't understand why they have to point out unarmed keep pace, unless unarmed are no longer "simple" weapons, and now their own thing...


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nick1wasd wrote:
As an aside, massively weird question about one of the cards........ Card 30, it says "Whenever your proficiency rank for simple weapons increases, your proficiency rank for unarmed attacks increases to the same rank unless it’s already better." I thought unarmed attacks were already "simple" weapons, so they'd already keep pace unless stated otherwise (like with a Monk, who gains extra proficiency with unarmed ALONE). So I don't understand why they have to point out unarmed keep pace, unless unarmed are no longer "simple" weapons, and now their own thing...

I think it's because technically the only "unarmed" attack on the weapons table is Fist (which is indeed a simple weapon). Other unarmed attacks you could get from Heritage, Monk, Barbarian, spells, or spell powers were all technically different weapons with their own damage and traits which were typically not specified as simple or martial weapons. Which was a weird quirk in the Playtest, nice to see that's sorted now. XD


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nick1wasd wrote:
As an aside, massively weird question about one of the cards........ Card 30, it says "Whenever your proficiency rank for simple weapons increases, your proficiency rank for unarmed attacks increases to the same rank unless it’s already better." I thought unarmed attacks were already "simple" weapons, so they'd already keep pace unless stated otherwise (like with a Monk, who gains extra proficiency with unarmed ALONE). So I don't understand why they have to point out unarmed keep pace, unless unarmed are no longer "simple" weapons, and now their own thing...

It could be as a note for clarity. Unarmed was usually in a weird place previously, even for always being in the Simple Weapons chart. For me it’s nice to see since i’ve Always been of the mind that a fighter should be able to throw a good punch or kick if needed, but i’ve Had a DM argue with me that i can’t cause i’m ‘Not a monk, and that’s a thing only monks can do’.


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Ediwir wrote:
It's funny because that's the last one :P

I THOUGHT that was the last one, and honestly that's just too perfect. XD

We will have to stick that on the list if we can't dig up the real deal.


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Also, to clarify for anyone who didn't look at the link, the #85 that was "found" is indeed fake. We still need the real deal. XD


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nick1wasd wrote:
As an aside, massively weird question about one of the cards........ Card 30, it says "Whenever your proficiency rank for simple weapons increases, your proficiency rank for unarmed attacks increases to the same rank unless it’s already better." I thought unarmed attacks were already "simple" weapons, so they'd already keep pace unless stated otherwise (like with a Monk, who gains extra proficiency with unarmed ALONE). So I don't understand why they have to point out unarmed keep pace, unless unarmed are no longer "simple" weapons, and now their own thing...
It could be as a note for clarity. Unarmed was usually in a weird place previously, even for always being in the Simple Weapons chart. For me it’s nice to see since i’ve Always been of the mind that a fighter should be able to throw a good punch or kick if needed, but i’ve Had a DM argue with me that i can’t cause i’m ‘Not a monk, and that’s a thing only monks can do’.

I can see a fighter throwing an accurate punch, but it not having as much power behind it as a monk's would, since they've trained exact muscle groups to make punches hurt like an SoB, and monk's have to worry about hitting soft spots, whereas fighters just generically swing a blade around and if it hits, it hits. But yeah, "monks are the only ones who can punch" is dumb, since most classical knights actually did go through some semblance of HtH training in case of the unfortunate incident they got disarmed.


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nick1wasd wrote:
Pumpkinhead11 wrote:
nick1wasd wrote:
As an aside, massively weird question about one of the cards........ Card 30, it says "Whenever your proficiency rank for simple weapons increases, your proficiency rank for unarmed attacks increases to the same rank unless it’s already better." I thought unarmed attacks were already "simple" weapons, so they'd already keep pace unless stated otherwise (like with a Monk, who gains extra proficiency with unarmed ALONE). So I don't understand why they have to point out unarmed keep pace, unless unarmed are no longer "simple" weapons, and now their own thing...
It could be as a note for clarity. Unarmed was usually in a weird place previously, even for always being in the Simple Weapons chart. For me it’s nice to see since i’ve Always been of the mind that a fighter should be able to throw a good punch or kick if needed, but i’ve Had a DM argue with me that i can’t cause i’m ‘Not a monk, and that’s a thing only monks can do’.
I can see a fighter throwing an accurate punch, but it not having as much power behind it as a monk's would, since they've trained exact muscle groups to make punches hurt like an SoB, and monk's have to worry about hitting soft spots, whereas fighters just generically swing a blade around and if it hits, it hits. But yeah, "monks are the only ones who can punch" is dumb, since most classical knights actually did go through some semblance of HtH training in case of the unfortunate incident they got disarmed.

Even in the Playtest Fighters did get upgraded proficiency in Fist since it is a simple weapon, so they could at least throw punches effectively (if they have magical handwraps ;P ) though they would still be Nonlethal damage.


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Good morning all. Friendly reminder to please take discussion of cards to their individual threads so this one remains open to get that elusive #85

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And may the odds be ever in our favor!

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nick1wasd wrote:
As an aside, massively weird question about one of the cards........ Card 30, it says "Whenever your proficiency rank for simple weapons increases, your proficiency rank for unarmed attacks increases to the same rank unless it’s already better." I thought unarmed attacks were already "simple" weapons, so they'd already keep pace unless stated otherwise (like with a Monk, who gains extra proficiency with unarmed ALONE). So I don't understand why they have to point out unarmed keep pace, unless unarmed are no longer "simple" weapons, and now their own thing...

My bet is that they're no longer Simple Weapons. Could be all sorts of other explanations, though.


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^ Hmm, that probably is simplest explanation, although I can't really believe basic punching isn't Simple weapon. I think being a catch-all for variant Unarmed attacks which are Uncommon Martial / Exotic as Edge93 suggested has systemic justification. (and I agree that hopefully all those do get proper classification whatever it may be, it's too weird not having any) Incidentally, I think the "Monks can use Uncommon Unarmed weapons distinct from basic Punch" was great direction for better distinguishing "what Monks do" from "what anybody in a bar fight does".


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Folks, let's use another thread for actual discussion of the reveals.


Captain Morgan wrote:
Folks, let's use another thread for actual discussion of the reveals.

That's what they are doing. LOOK at the post quoted. "Card 30, it says". That REALLY looks like they are having a "discussion of the reveals" when they talk about the implications of the wording of a spoiler card.


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^ Not as personal attack, but IMHO it's clearer and less conflictive to just say "I think this discussion is on topic because XYZ" instead of "That's what they are doing. LOOK... REALLY..." etc. Same outcome in terms of info that will ultimately be agreed/disagreed with, less extraneous conflict framing that can detract from reception of the info. Not that people can't still take conflictive approach, but not invoking it where it doesn't need to exist seems nicer forum environment. IMHO.

Personally it seems subjective whether this thread is ideally for discussing the reveals in detail, or just discussing the process of reveals in general, I don't have preference.


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The staff have suggested using other threads for this, in this thread. Sara Marie, and I believe Jason also did.

On topic: happy to come back to 99 cards found! Almost there and a few days left!

Edit: See here


Quandary: I used caps as the posts literally mentioned the card in question: #30. As such, the only reason to complain about them is to not have actually looked through the posts.

If it was about actual reveals vs reveal details, the post failed to point this out. It should have been much clearer if that was his point.

GospodinSneg: Yep, she suggested a best course, not what was allowed or forbidden. I took it to mean any extended debate is best in it's own thread but I don't count 3-4 posts an extended debate.


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graystone wrote:

Quandary: I used caps as the posts literally mentioned the card in question: #30. As such, the only reason to complain about them is to not have actually looked through the posts.

If it was about actual reveals vs reveal details, the post failed to point this out. It should have been much clearer if that was his point.

GospodinSneg: Yep, she suggested a best course, not what was allowed or forbidden. I took it to mean any extended debate is best in it's own thread but I don't count 3-4 posts an extended debate.

Given she seems to be one of the people in charge of removing inappropriate or combative posts, extensive derailings in certain circumstances, etc., that "suggesting a best course of action" is possibly more a nice way of telling than suggesting. And either way it seems a little silly to say "Well we don't need to do that because it was a suggestion of the best thing to do, not an actual order". It's a little too hair-splitty about specific phrasing in a comment where she was likely being nice about telling us to keep the thread focused, and it's kinda rude to be hair-splitty like that. The "Well you didn't actually TELL us to..." attitude doesn't really help anything.


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It looks like, as of right now, we have a BOLO on Spoiler #85

I'm not trying to be a jerk, or rain on anyone's parade, but this thread is a concerted effort with a singular purpose.


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Edge93 wrote:
extensive derailings

As I said, I don't think 3-4 post is that... If anything this debate on what's appropriate or not seems more of a derail. I suggest we end it and if in the future something seem to be derailing a thread, flag it instead of further derailing it. :P

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graystone wrote:
Edge93 wrote:
extensive derailings
As I said, I don't think 3-4 post is that... If anything this debate on what's appropriate or not seems more of a derail. I suggest we end it and if in the future something seem to be derailing a thread, flag it instead of further derailing it. :P

Ah, the :P emote, the universal "get away card" used when people realise that they went out of the line and try to send the message that they're just harmless jokers, midnight provokers.


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Good morning everybody! 4 days left, and only 85 left :D

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I know the Paizo Twitter account posted and since we've gotten down to this last one. Hopefully in the next couple days we get that one final person who throws 85 up for us.

I watched the video finally where the cards were handed out. I didn't know attendees were actually told about this thread beforehand. Hopefully somebody is just holding out to be the hero of the day.


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malcolm_n wrote:

Good morning everybody! 4 days left, and only 85 left :D

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I know the Paizo Twitter account posted and since we've gotten down to this last one. Hopefully in the next couple days we get that one final person who throws 85 up for us.

I watched the video finally where the cards were handed out. I didn't know attendees were actually told about this thread beforehand. Hopefully somebody is just holding out to be the hero of the day.

Wait, what? Did someone at Paizo just know there was going to be a thread? Because I didn't make the thread until after I heard about the cards, and it took me a little while because the Paizo forums were down temporarily. XD


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Edge93 wrote:
malcolm_n wrote:

Good morning everybody! 4 days left, and only 85 left :D

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I know the Paizo Twitter account posted and since we've gotten down to this last one. Hopefully in the next couple days we get that one final person who throws 85 up for us.

I watched the video finally where the cards were handed out. I didn't know attendees were actually told about this thread beforehand. Hopefully somebody is just holding out to be the hero of the day.

Wait, what? Did someone at Paizo just know there was going to be a thread? Because I didn't make the thread until after I heard about the cards, and it took me a little while because the Paizo forums were down temporarily. XD

Jason stated "If there is a thread on the forums with all the cards, I will do the super spoiler", so he kinda demanded we make a thread if we wanted the super spoils

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I mean, it kind of is a self-fulfilling prophecy if you hand out 4x100 spoilers at PaizoCon.

I'm glad that we found all but one so far, too bad that one #85 is still missing.


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Edge93 wrote:
Wait, what? Did someone at Paizo just know there was going to be a thread? Because I didn't make the thread until after I heard about the cards, and it took me a little while because the Paizo forums were down temporarily. XD

Jason basically said "Collect all 100 spoilers on our forums until I'm back in the office and I'll drop another 100."


nick1wasd wrote:
Edge93 wrote:
malcolm_n wrote:

Good morning everybody! 4 days left, and only 85 left :D

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I know the Paizo Twitter account posted and since we've gotten down to this last one. Hopefully in the next couple days we get that one final person who throws 85 up for us.

I watched the video finally where the cards were handed out. I didn't know attendees were actually told about this thread beforehand. Hopefully somebody is just holding out to be the hero of the day.

Wait, what? Did someone at Paizo just know there was going to be a thread? Because I didn't make the thread until after I heard about the cards, and it took me a little while because the Paizo forums were down temporarily. XD
Jason stated "If there is a thread on the forums with all the cards, I will do the super spoiler", so he kinda demanded we make a thread if we wanted the super spoils

Oh yeah, that. I thought he meant this specific thread, that's why I was confused. XD


I feel like 85 is a weapon or armor stat. Something like a dagger or leather armor. Definitely from the Equipment chapter of the CRB.


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We're gonna end up with 99/100 and Jason is going to say "the book is out on August 1" right?


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I hope he sticks to his guns.

Paizo Employee Director of Game Design

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Aww... sure would be a shame to miss out on getting a whole bunch of additional spoilers because of one missing card.

<<Goes back to paging through the Pathfinder Second Edition Core Rulebook>> So much good stuff in here...

(To be 100% clear, I promised I would put up a big spoiler if all 100 were found by the time I'm back in the office on Monday, not 100 additional spoilers, and i should note it will probably take me a few days to get it pulled together if you all succeed)

And yes... I'm sticking to it. If you are even 1 short, you will have to wait for our more traditional reveals for more info.


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Jason Bulmahn wrote:
And yes... I'm sticking to it. If you are even 1 short, you will have to wait for our more traditional reveals for more info.
PossibleCabbage wrote:
"the book is out on August 1"

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So tempted to sneak into Jason's office to help all y'all out.


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Oh I am sure that Jason just never handed out 85. Prove me wrong … (haha)


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Technically speaking, I will point out. Jason would be sticking to his guns, even if someone who was tagged as [Paizo Employee Jason Bulmahn Director of Game Design] happened to post card number 85, in this thread.

The important part sounded like it was that they all showed up in a single thread. Not where they came from specifically. So as long as #85 shows up here from someone with access to it...

You know...

Looking around expectantly.


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"to get it pulled together" - Jason Bulmahn

Hmmm, almost like a "starter" or "teaser" PDF... maybe a high resolution one with an ancestry, a class, add in a monster page... maybe Treasure Distribution Table... haha okay, I am biased... just I would really like to see that table :)


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Wish I could give you guys some help, but that'd probably be cheating.

Plus, there's like 40 pages of stuff between class kits and divine lance, so it could be anything

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Rhyst wrote:
Oh I am sure that Jason just never handed out 85. Prove me wrong … (haha)

#85...the Honus Wagner of Pathfinder 2nd edition spoilers.

-Lisa

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I have faith in the Flumph

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Lisa Stevens wrote:
Rhyst wrote:
Oh I am sure that Jason just never handed out 85. Prove me wrong … (haha)

#85...the Honus Wagner of Pathfinder 2nd edition spoilers.

-Lisa

I get that reference!

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Lisa Stevens wrote:
Rhyst wrote:
Oh I am sure that Jason just never handed out 85. Prove me wrong … (haha)

#85...the Honus Wagner of Pathfinder 2nd edition spoilers.

-Lisa

Ah, those globally recognizable American cultural references ;-)


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Gorbacz wrote:
Ah, those globally recognizable American cultural references ;-)

As an American, I do not get that reference in the slightest.

4 days to find 1 of 4 cards available to the public. It’s madness, I say

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malcolm_n wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Ah, those globally recognizable American cultural references ;-)

As an American, I do not get that reference in the slightest.

4 days to find 1 of 4 cards available to the public. It’s madness, I say

Honus Wagner is an American Baseball player that has the odd distinction of being the most valuable baseball card in existence.

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malcolm_n wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Ah, those globally recognizable American cultural references ;-)

As an American, I do not get that reference in the slightest.

4 days to find 1 of 4 cards available to the public. It’s madness, I say

Honus Wagner is an American Baseball player that has the odd distinction of being the most valuable baseball card in existence.

Yup. As I recall, Honus didn't like kids buying smokes to get his card so he put the kibosh on their distribution. Only a few dozen were ever made as opposed to the tens of thousands others had.

Anyone dropping in, we're still looking for #85.


malcolm_n wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Ah, those globally recognizable American cultural references ;-)

As an American, I do not get that reference in the slightest.

4 days to find 1 of 4 cards available to the public. It’s madness, I say

I'm an American and I didn't get it either. XD

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