Constitution Ability Damage


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Am I reading this right? If a 5 HD character takes 3 points of Constitution damage, his hit points are lowered (current and max) 15 hit points?

AoN Ability Damage
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Constitution: Damage to your Constitution score causes you to take penalties on your Fortitude saving throws. In addition, multiply your total Hit Dice by this penalty and subtract that amount from your current and total hit points. Lost hit points are restored when the damage to your Constitution is healed.
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Also, does ability damage affect the # of uses per day of an ability? For example, a Monk 6 with a 16 Wisdom has pool of 6 Ki points. If this Monk takes 4 points of Wisdom damage, does his Ki pool reduce by 2 points?


No. It would be HD * change in constitution modifier. So a 5 HD character suffering 2 points of con damage would lose 5 hit points.

If you didn't already know, you get extra hit points for having a high constitution score. Constitution modifier * HD.

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OmniMage wrote:

No. It would be HD * change in constitution modifier. So a 5 HD character suffering 2 points of con damage would lose 5 hit points.

If you didn't already know, you get extra hit points for having a high constitution score. Constitution modifier * HD.

Yes, I already knew that, and our group plays the way you mention. However, the wording on Archives, which is now the official Pathfinder source, suggests -5 hit points per HD per point of Constitution damage, not -5 hit points per HD per 2 points of Constitution damage.


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No, because the Archives first says

AoN wrote:
For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability.

And as you first quoted, you lose HP equal to your HD times the penalty, not the damage.

So 3 Con dmg => -1 penalty => 1 HP/HD lost.

ckdragons wrote:
Also, does ability damage affect the # of uses per day of an ability? For example, a Monk 6 with a 16 Wisdom has pool of 6 Ki points. If this Monk takes 4 points of Wisdom damage, does his Ki pool reduce by 2 points?

No, because his Wis hasn't actually gone down.

AoN wrote:
Diseases, poisons, spells, and other abilities can all deal damage directly to your ability scores. This damage does not actually reduce an ability, but it does apply a penalty to the skills and statistics that are based on that ability.

So only the things listed explicitly suffer from ability damage.


3 con dmg is only -1 if the number in con is odd, if it is even then its a -2.


doomman47 wrote:
3 con dmg is only -1 if the number in con is odd, if it is even then its a -2.

3 is odd, so it's -1. Whether your actual Constitution stat is odd or even doesn't matter:

Quote:
For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability.

(If you took 3 Con Drain, then it would matter whether your original Constitution was odd or even, since Con Drain reduces your Constitution and Con Damage doesn't.)


Is ki pool not a statistic?


Cavall wrote:
Is ki pool not a statistic?

Doesn't matter, it's not listed among things penalized for Wisdom damage.

same Archives page wrote:
Wisdom: Damage to your Wisdom score causes you to take penalties on Wisdom-based skill checks and Will saving throws. This penalty also applies to any spell DCs based on Wisdom.

The Exchange

Damage is done a lot, and think they just wanted fast and easy rules. Strength damage dosnt reduce carrying capacity, which don't make sense but kind of does for ready to use rules.


Matthew Downie wrote:
doomman47 wrote:
3 con dmg is only -1 if the number in con is odd, if it is even then its a -2.

3 is odd, so it's -1. Whether your actual Constitution stat is odd or even doesn't matter:

Quote:
For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability.
(If you took 3 Con Drain, then it would matter whether your original Constitution was odd or even, since Con Drain reduces your Constitution and Con Damage doesn't.)

That seems like it was an oversight.

Grand Lodge

It's not. Think of Con damage as a separate pool that penalizes for every even number in that pool. The penalties are listed out, and doesn't affect things such as the amount of burn a kineticist can take, the number of rage rounds per day a barbarian has, etc. Con drain affects the actual constitution score, thus a -1 con drain will affect a character with an even score as if that was the actual ability score.

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