Can a good oracle take the consumed / demonic / hellbound curses?


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It doesn't say they ca't


Sure an oracle can be practically any alignment with any curse, but some curses may have manifestations that make others fearful or may make it difficult to stay good.

Such as the Ghoul curse. And Demonic straight up says good people don't like you.


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Yup. In-world, oracle curses are (usually) not chosen; they're inflicted upon the oracle whether they like it or not.


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An oracle is not something you decide to become. An oracle is someone who is chosen to by the powers of the mystery. Quite often they are chosen against their will. So while the player of the oracle can choose his class features the oracle themselves is not doing so. Unlike clerics you don’t have to worship the source of your power, or even like it. It is quite possible that the source of your power is something you are actively opposed to.


I was actually thinking Hellbound and Demonic curses would be hardest on good character, due to the penalty they give to dealing with good people (in general, evil people don't care if good people like them or not)


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An oracle is a type of spell caster that has the powers of the divine thrust like an icepick into their skull.... with a lot of similar side effects.

The curse is either a random side effect of the damage to your very being, or perhaps left over traces left a being that put the power into you... for the latter, think of it like your surgeon realizing he left his watch inside of you after he closed you back up.

You don't choose to have a rolex instead of a kidney. You don't choose to have fiendish related curses.


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{. . .} The curse is either a random side effect of the damage to your very being, or perhaps left over traces left a being that put the power into you... for the latter, think of it like your surgeon realizing he left his watch inside of you after he closed you back up.

You don't choose to have a rolex instead of a kidney. You don't choose to have fiendish related curses.

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Ok, here's a good question: why would a good god make someone an oracle with the hellbound or demonic curses? That doesn't make sense. Whereas, an evil god turning a good character into his oracle and giving him hellbound or demonic doesn't really make sense either, as I imagine a good character would refuse to work for them and possibly even rather die than do so depending on how dedicated to their alignment they are.

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Oracles don’t usually know who granted them their powers and curses, it could be more than one god.


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@Yqatuba The way I see it a good god wouldn't give someone the Hellbound curse, but an evil god can (and will) give a good character the hellbound curse to further their own nefarious deeds. Likewise a good god might gove an evil character a curse in order to teach them a lesson in an attempt to turn them to the light.

The character can then choose to fight against the powers that cursed them, or give in to the power and become a conduit for that god's will (or somewhere in between). Many simply explore their curse in an attempt to understand it.


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Yqatuba wrote:
Ok, here's a good question: why would a good god make someone an oracle with the hellbound or demonic curses? That doesn't make sense. Whereas, an evil god turning a good character into his oracle and giving him hellbound or demonic doesn't really make sense either, as I imagine a good character would refuse to work for them and possibly even rather die than do so depending on how dedicated to their alignment they are.

They wouldn't, good deities aren't even entioned as possible sources for "evil" curses. But curses can be caused by more than deities and the deity a character worships is probably not the one that infused them with their oracle powers. Though through the course of character development you might come to know from which source your powers came and you might choose to venerate them (changing your patron deity). Also oracles don't owe anything to the source that provided the power. An oracle has no alignment restrictions on what it can do.

Imagine it like this, oracles can be caused by being in close proximity to deity levels of power. The power is so great that it somehow infest the person. They gain powers related to the source that caused it, but also a curse too. Nothing in the lore says that the source of the power has to even intentionally grant the power. Sometimes its an accident.


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Oracles unlike other divine casters don’t have to worship the source of their power. They can and often are opposed to what grants them their power. Exactly who or what is granting them their power is not always known even to the oracle themselves. A good oracle may be getting their power from an evil source without realizing it.

Also there may be more than one deity providing power to an oracle. Flame mystery lists both Asmodeous and Sarenrae as sources. A oracle of flame may be drawing on both those deities and more for their power.

The source of an oracles power has absolutely no control over the oracle. You don't have oracles of a deity, you simply have oracles.


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Even if a good deity gave the oracle his powers, the good deity might not have been the only being involved in the process. An evil deity might have slipped in during the process, or put some trap on the source used.

An evil deity might have also given power to a mortal without any specific plan. They might have wanted to hide some source of divine power, and your skull happened to be a convenient hiding place. What you do with the power doesn't really matter- they will just get it back sometime down the line, possibly long after your mortal life span.


^ . . . Or maybe they'll come looking for it before the end of your mortal lifespan -- you can never be sure . . . .


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They might also hope that you develop your powers and reach a high level... because that might cook whatever divine macguffin. You would be used as an easy bake oven in that scenario, and the evil deity doesn't actually care what you use the powers for- as long as you continue to finish the recipe.

That seems like something a devil would be interested in. They offer you power with all its temptations, and the power itself has nothing wrong with it. But by using that power as you please, you are furthering the devil's goals and inching ever closer to your doom.


Another thought: if people don't choose to become oracles, if a player makes an oracle should the DM choose their curse for them? That would make sense to me (I would still let them choose their mystery though).


Yqatuba wrote:
Another thought: if people don't choose to become oracles, if a player makes an oracle should the DM choose their curse for them? That would make sense to me (I would still let them choose their mystery though).

No, that's not how it's presented at all. Curses start out curses, but usually the curses have a beneficial effect in the long term that cancels out their negative effect. It's a class feature that's to be chosen by the player.

I can understand what you're saying, and you might convince a player to allow you to randomly select their curse, but generally speaking it's a facet of the character chosen by the player.

As an example, clouded vision curse limits your vision to 30ft. But gives you 60ft darkvision at level 5, at level 10 you have blindsense, and level 15 is blindsight.


Yqatuba wrote:
Another thought: if people don't choose to become oracles, if a player makes an oracle should the DM choose their curse for them? That would make sense to me (I would still let them choose their mystery though).

I would avoid that personally. Mechanically, many curses are so wildly different that it could completely cripple a preferred playstyle. For example, the blackened curse is great for a blaster build, but it pretty much ruins any hopes to ever do a melee build (note- gives a bunch of fire spells, but gives -4 to attack)

Also, people usually don't get to pick their race either, but the player can typically pick their character's race.


Yqatuba wrote:
Another thought: if people don't choose to become oracles, if a player makes an oracle should the DM choose their curse for them? That would make sense to me (I would still let them choose their mystery though).

Method acting notwithstanding, the player is not their character.

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