Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova / Glyphs?


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Grand Lodge ****

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This was posted in an earlier blog post by Tonya.

"At this point, we have a potential rubric. A massive shout out to Chris Marsh, whose original version provided the basis for our discussions. As I don't want to clutter this blog with a conversation about the rubric, I will post it in a discussion thread on our forums. The thread was opened last Friday, May 3 and you can find a link to it here. We will take feedback for one week. After that, we will lock, load, and publish the rubric for future use."

Where is this thread? Some have asked where it is and I have not seen a response. I would like to have the opportunity to look the rubric over and comment on it if I feel I need to do so. Could someone please post a link to this thread?

Thank you in advance.

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I can only guess that its in some private forum and they need to review it before the make it public, or extract the key bits and repost. The lack of response in the thread announcing it makes me think whatever is going on is more complicated technically/procedurally than they expected.

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You mean this one?

It's on a paizo blog post, they're always a lil hard to find.

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No, we mean the thread mentioned in this blog post:
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgmh?May-UpdateSpotlights-and-Con ventions#discuss

That says it lists the actual rubric, not just the hypothetical existence of one.

Paizo Employee ***** Organized Play Manager

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:( It got eaten by goblins. Or at least, that is my take, since I can find the thread but none of the text I added.

I'm working to redo it now and should have it up tonight.

Liberty's Edge *

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"See! THIS is why we shouldn't have goblins as the 'acceptable' new race. One thing to remember about True Dragons is that we control our appetites for the greater good of our community!"

Waiting to see the considerations involved with a qualitative rubric in *addition* to the 'acceptable' 'good practices'.

Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

Thank you, Tonya!

As someone who will be giving the rubric its first test drive at PaizoCon, I would like to be able to have time to study it myself!

Hmm

Grand Lodge ****

Thanks, Tonya! I have a feeling that there will be a need for the community to address the proposed change.

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Tonya Woldridge wrote:

:( It got eaten by goblins. Or at least, that is my take, since I can find the thread but none of the text I added.

I'm working to redo it now and should have it up tonight.

Obviously its a busy time of year for all of Organized Play, but do you have a new estimate for when this will be posted?

Sovereign Court **** ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta aka The Masked Ferret

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As my first 5 nova review is tonight.... they might be helpful.

Grand Lodge ****

Considering that the concept of qualitative rankings was not met with enthusiastic support I'm sure it would be helpful.

Silver Crusade ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

Xathos of Varisia wrote:
Considering that the concept of qualitative rankings was not met with enthusiastic support I'm sure it would be helpful.

Apparently, survey participants want the 5 "things" to mean something, of course, how high the barrier to entry should be is subject to discussion.

If everyone that fulfils the substantial quantitative requirements also aces the qualitative test, that can mean a lot of things:

- requirements are too low
- all of our very dedicated GMs are also excellent
- our evaluation process needs work
- trying to measure subjective GM quality is a lost cause, since what one person describes as an awesome GM, can still deliver a subjectively terrible table to a player if the GM has a bad day, or the GM/play styles just clash

Personally, I think the quantitative requirements are worth celebrating for the service they have done to their community (less so if all or most of them have been private tables YMMV).
When it comes to GM quality, having something to measure yourself against should be useful for GMs trying to improve, I doubt that it will be relevant to most players.

If a GM is wrong about something, the number of symbols after their forum handle really does not matter, and if he is right, they still don't.
Sometimes things are not clear cut and the GM needs to make a ruling, the experience can help, but we are all shaped by experiences and no number of stars increases the chance that the player will be happy about the ruling.

Sovereign Court **** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden aka Ascalaphus

If every subject passes the test the test might be bad. If most subjects pass the test that doesn't have to be a bad sign:

* Quality was already high and this just confirms it.
* Setting out expectactions among a number of different aspects (rules, pacing, immersion etc.) allowed the GMs working their way up to five wazoozits to learn effectively.

Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

Tonya, is there any update on the rubric? I am evaluating someone at PaizoCon, and someone was evaluating Glenn Parnell this week (I'm assuming that they took very good notes, and will backfill once they get the rubric.)

Any update would be appreciated.

Hmm

Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

Bumping this back up. I've promised to evaluate Gary Norton at PaizoCon, and I'm really hoping that both he and I will know what criteria we're using for this!

Hmm

Sovereign Court **** ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta aka The Masked Ferret

It would be helpful.

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[lawful good] "I can honestly say he didn't fall short of any criteria I was given... " [/lawful good]

Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

I have the Rubric!

Dark Archive *****

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It would be helpful to share with the rest of us at the table.


Seconded!!!

Dark Archive **** Venture-Lieutenant, Online—VTT

If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :)

Dark Archive *****

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Richard Lowe wrote:
If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :)

Nope. Not what I’m talking about.

Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

I shared the rubric with Gary already, but I can send a link to the rest of the table too.

Hmm

Dark Archive **** Venture-Lieutenant, Online—VTT

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Leg o' Lamb wrote:
Richard Lowe wrote:
If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :)
Nope. Not what I’m talking about.

If you mean the actual rubric... it's linked in Tonyas post at the bottom, I'm not sure what else you might be wanting so you'll have to clarify if it's something else but here's a copy of her direct link to it from that post.

Dropbox containing the 5* rubric

Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

Hey all,

I wanted to apologize for a misconception that I may have unwittingly fostered at this convention. I've heard from another VO that some people thought from my posts that I somehow had early access to the rubric. I did not. Tonya must have posted the rubric earlier, and because it was in the GM forum I'd missed it.

The 'I have the rubric' was a hasty post made at PaizoCon to indicate that my search had found where she'd posted it. It was not meant to indicate any other thing.

Likewise, I apologize for my song. It was meant not so much as a call to arms but more as a light bit of humor but sometimes with the best intentions we fail to communicate well.

Hmm

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