paizo.com Recent Posts in Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?paizo.com Recent Posts in Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?2019-05-25T04:22:15Z2019-05-25T04:22:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Hmmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#262019-05-27T14:09:15Z2019-05-27T14:09:15Z<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>I wanted to apologize for a misconception that I may have unwittingly fostered at this convention. I've heard from another VO that some people thought from my posts that I somehow had early access to the rubric. I did not. Tonya must have posted the rubric earlier, and because it was in the GM forum I'd missed it. </p>
<p>The 'I have the rubric' was a hasty post made at PaizoCon to indicate that my search had found where she'd posted it. It was not meant to indicate any other thing. </p>
<p>Likewise, I apologize for my song. It was meant not so much as a call to arms but more as a light bit of humor but sometimes with the best intentions we fail to communicate well. </p>
<p>Hmm</p>Hey all,
I wanted to apologize for a misconception that I may have unwittingly fostered at this convention. I've heard from another VO that some people thought from my posts that I somehow had early access to the rubric. I did not. Tonya must have posted the rubric earlier, and because it was in the GM forum I'd missed it.
The 'I have the rubric' was a hasty post made at PaizoCon to indicate that my search had found where she'd posted it. It was not meant to indicate any other thing.
...Hmm2019-05-27T14:09:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Richard Lowehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#252019-05-27T13:50:18Z2019-05-24T18:38:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Leg o' Lamb wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Richard Lowe wrote:</div><blockquote> If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :) </blockquote>Nope. Not what I’m talking about. </blockquote><p>If you mean the actual rubric... it's linked in Tonyas post at the bottom, I'm not sure what else you might be wanting so you'll have to clarify if it's something else but here's a copy of her direct link to it from that post.
<p><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/453xdj9oi6ol7ya/5_%20Rubric-publisheddraft.xlsx?dl=0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dropbox containing the 5• rubric</a></p>Leg o' Lamb wrote:Richard Lowe wrote: If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :)
Nope. Not what I’m talking about. If you mean the actual rubric... it's linked in Tonyas post at the bottom, I'm not sure what else you might be wanting so you'll have to clarify if it's something else but here's a copy of her direct link to it from that post. Dropbox containing the 5* rubricRichard Lowe2019-05-24T18:38:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Hmmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#242019-05-24T06:21:35Z2019-05-24T06:21:35Z<p>I shared the rubric with Gary already, but I can send a link to the rest of the table too.</p>
<p>Hmm</p>I shared the rubric with Gary already, but I can send a link to the rest of the table too.
HmmHmm2019-05-24T06:21:35ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Leg o' Lambhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#232019-05-24T06:08:08Z2019-05-24T06:08:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Richard Lowe wrote:</div><blockquote> If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :) </blockquote><p>Nope. Not what I’m talking about.Richard Lowe wrote:If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :)
Nope. Not what I’m talking about.Leg o' Lamb2019-05-24T06:08:08ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Richard Lowehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#222019-05-24T03:14:57Z2019-05-24T03:14:23Z<p>If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :)</p>If you click on the bolded word 'Rubric' in Hmms post, you shall receive :)Richard Lowe2019-05-24T03:14:23ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?pickleboothttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#212019-05-24T00:49:29Z2019-05-24T00:49:29Z<p>Seconded!!!</p>Seconded!!!pickleboot2019-05-24T00:49:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Leg o' Lambhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#202019-05-24T00:45:49Z2019-05-24T00:45:49Z<p>It would be helpful to share with the rest of us at the table.</p>It would be helpful to share with the rest of us at the table.Leg o' Lamb2019-05-24T00:45:49ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Hmmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#192019-05-23T23:49:04Z2019-05-23T23:49:04Z<p>I have the <b><a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42jt0?5Nova-Rubric-Discussion#1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rubric!</a></b></p>I have the Rubric!Hmm2019-05-23T23:49:04ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#182020-09-25T18:24:41Z2019-05-19T21:21:21Z<p>[lawful good] <b>"I can honestly say he didn't fall short of any criteria I was given... " </b> [/lawful good]</p>[lawful good] "I can honestly say he didn't fall short of any criteria I was given... " [/lawful good]BigNorseWolf2019-05-19T21:21:21ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?The Masked Ferrethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#172019-05-19T21:15:31Z2019-05-19T21:15:31Z<p>It would be helpful.</p>It would be helpful.The Masked Ferret2019-05-19T21:15:31ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Hmmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#162019-05-19T20:21:20Z2019-05-19T20:21:20Z<p>Bumping this back up. I've promised to evaluate Gary Norton at PaizoCon, and I'm really hoping that both he and I will know what criteria we're using for this!</p>
<p>Hmm</p>Bumping this back up. I've promised to evaluate Gary Norton at PaizoCon, and I'm really hoping that both he and I will know what criteria we're using for this!
HmmHmm2019-05-19T20:21:20ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Hmmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#142019-05-15T18:30:36Z2019-05-15T18:30:36Z<p>Tonya, is there any update on the rubric? I am evaluating someone at PaizoCon, and someone was evaluating Glenn Parnell this week (I'm assuming that they took very good notes, and will backfill once they get the rubric.) </p>
<p>Any update would be appreciated.</p>
<p>Hmm</p>Tonya, is there any update on the rubric? I am evaluating someone at PaizoCon, and someone was evaluating Glenn Parnell this week (I'm assuming that they took very good notes, and will backfill once they get the rubric.)
Any update would be appreciated.
HmmHmm2019-05-15T18:30:36ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Ascalaphushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#132019-05-15T08:55:02Z2019-05-15T08:55:02Z<p>If <i>every</i> subject passes the test the test might be bad. If <i>most</i> subjects pass the test that doesn't have to be a bad sign:</p>
<p>• Quality was already high and this just confirms it.
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• Setting out expectactions among a number of different aspects (rules, pacing, immersion etc.) allowed the GMs working their way up to five wazoozits to learn effectively.</p>If every subject passes the test the test might be bad. If most subjects pass the test that doesn't have to be a bad sign:
* Quality was already high and this just confirms it.
* Setting out expectactions among a number of different aspects (rules, pacing, immersion etc.) allowed the GMs working their way up to five wazoozits to learn effectively.Ascalaphus2019-05-15T08:55:02ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Sebastian Hirschhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#122019-05-15T07:21:45Z2019-05-15T07:21:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Xathos of Varisia wrote:</div><blockquote> Considering that the concept of qualitative rankings was not met with enthusiastic support I'm sure it would be helpful. </blockquote><p>Apparently, survey participants want the 5 "things" to mean something, of course, how high the barrier to entry should be is subject to discussion.
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If everyone that fulfils the substantial quantitative requirements also aces the qualitative test, that can mean a lot of things:</p>
<p>- requirements are too low
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- all of our very dedicated GMs are also excellent
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- our evaluation process needs work
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- trying to measure subjective GM quality is a lost cause, since what one person describes as an awesome GM, can still deliver a subjectively terrible table to a player if the GM has a bad day, or the GM/play styles just clash </p>
<p>Personally, I think the quantitative requirements are worth celebrating for the service they have done to their community (less so if all or most of them have been private tables YMMV).
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When it comes to GM quality, having something to measure yourself against should be useful for GMs trying to improve, I doubt that it will be relevant to most players. </p>
<p>If a GM is wrong about something, the number of symbols after their forum handle really does not matter, and if he is right, they still don't.
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Sometimes things are not clear cut and the GM needs to make a ruling, the experience can help, but we are all shaped by experiences and no number of stars increases the chance that the player will be happy about the ruling.</p>Xathos of Varisia wrote:Considering that the concept of qualitative rankings was not met with enthusiastic support I'm sure it would be helpful.
Apparently, survey participants want the 5 "things" to mean something, of course, how high the barrier to entry should be is subject to discussion.
If everyone that fulfils the substantial quantitative requirements also aces the qualitative test, that can mean a lot of things:- requirements are too low
- all of our very dedicated GMs are also...Sebastian Hirsch2019-05-15T07:21:45ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Xathos of Varisiahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#112019-05-14T21:06:42Z2019-05-14T21:06:42Z<p>Considering that the concept of qualitative rankings was not met with enthusiastic support I'm sure it would be helpful.</p>Considering that the concept of qualitative rankings was not met with enthusiastic support I'm sure it would be helpful.Xathos of Varisia2019-05-14T21:06:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?The Masked Ferrethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#102019-05-17T21:07:03Z2019-05-14T18:38:50Z<p>As my first 5 nova review is tonight.... they might be helpful.</p>As my first 5 nova review is tonight.... they might be helpful.The Masked Ferret2019-05-14T18:38:50ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?NielsenEhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#92019-05-14T16:29:41Z2019-05-14T16:29:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tonya Woldridge wrote:</div><blockquote><p> :( It got eaten by goblins. Or at least, that is my take, since I can find the thread but none of the text I added.</p>
<p>I'm working to redo it now and should have it up tonight.
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</blockquote><p>Obviously its a busy time of year for all of Organized Play, but do you have a new estimate for when this will be posted?Tonya Woldridge wrote::( It got eaten by goblins. Or at least, that is my take, since I can find the thread but none of the text I added.
I'm working to redo it now and should have it up tonight.
Obviously its a busy time of year for all of Organized Play, but do you have a new estimate for when this will be posted?NielsenE2019-05-14T16:29:41ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Xathos of Varisiahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#82019-05-10T02:57:54Z2019-05-10T02:57:54Z<p>Thanks, Tonya! I have a feeling that there will be a need for the community to address the proposed change.</p>Thanks, Tonya! I have a feeling that there will be a need for the community to address the proposed change.Xathos of Varisia2019-05-10T02:57:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Hmmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#72019-05-10T01:34:34Z2019-05-10T01:34:34Z<p>Thank you, Tonya!</p>
<p>As someone who will be giving the rubric its first test drive at PaizoCon, I would like to be able to have time to study it myself!</p>
<p>Hmm</p>Thank you, Tonya!
As someone who will be giving the rubric its first test drive at PaizoCon, I would like to be able to have time to study it myself!
HmmHmm2019-05-10T01:34:34ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Ikilwa Underfoot (alias of Wei Ji the Learner)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#62019-05-10T12:52:59Z2019-05-10T01:18:11Z<p><b>"See! THIS is why we shouldn't have goblins as the 'acceptable' new race. One thing to remember about True Dragons is that we control our appetites for the greater good of our community!"</b></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc> Waiting to see the considerations involved with a qualitative rubric in •addition• to the 'acceptable' 'good practices'.</span></p>"See! THIS is why we shouldn't have goblins as the 'acceptable' new race. One thing to remember about True Dragons is that we control our appetites for the greater good of our community!"
Waiting to see the considerations involved with a qualitative rubric in *addition* to the 'acceptable' 'good practices'.Ikilwa Underfoot (alias of Wei Ji the Learner)2019-05-10T01:18:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?Tonya Woldridgehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#52019-05-15T17:48:43Z2019-05-10T00:07:41Z<p>:( It got eaten by goblins. Or at least, that is my take, since I can find the thread but none of the text I added.</p>
<p>I'm working to redo it now and should have it up tonight.</p>:( It got eaten by goblins. Or at least, that is my take, since I can find the thread but none of the text I added.
I'm working to redo it now and should have it up tonight.Tonya Woldridge2019-05-10T00:07:41ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?NielsenEhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#42019-05-09T20:38:59Z2019-05-09T20:38:59Z<p>No, we mean the thread mentioned in this blog post:
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https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgmh?May-UpdateSpotlights-and-Con ventions#discuss</p>
<p>That says it lists the actual rubric, not just the hypothetical existence of one.</p>No, we mean the thread mentioned in this blog post:
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgmh?May-UpdateSpotlights-and-Con ventions#discuss
That says it lists the actual rubric, not just the hypothetical existence of one.NielsenE2019-05-09T20:38:59ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#32019-05-09T18:42:08Z2019-05-09T18:42:08Z<p><a href="https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgkh&page=3?April-Update-Second-Seekers-Novas-Spotlights#124" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">You mean this one? </a></p>
<p>It's on a paizo blog post, they're always a lil hard to find.</p>You mean this one?
It's on a paizo blog post, they're always a lil hard to find.BigNorseWolf2019-05-09T18:42:08ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Where is the thread about the qualitative ranking of GM Nova/Glyphs?NielsenEhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42k46?Where-is-the-thread-about-the-qualitative#22019-05-09T16:39:00Z2019-05-09T16:39:00Z<p>I can only guess that its in some private forum and they need to review it before the make it public, or extract the key bits and repost. The lack of response in the thread announcing it makes me think whatever is going on is more complicated technically/procedurally than they expected.</p>I can only guess that its in some private forum and they need to review it before the make it public, or extract the key bits and repost. The lack of response in the thread announcing it makes me think whatever is going on is more complicated technically/procedurally than they expected.NielsenE2019-05-09T16:39:00Z