Can i have three Bonded Items with two Sorc BLs and Wizard Arcane Bond?

[Icestormshadow]

OKay, I am dipping into crossblooded Vestige/Arcane, both of these grant Bonded Items, then the Sword Binder Wizard Archetype, which grants a 3rd Bonded Item, i have several questions
Is this allowed, and if so (or not), explain
Would i be able to get three swords and use the Sword Binder's powers on all of them?
Sword Binder is basically Yondo's Knife, but with swords, link here
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo-wizar d-archetypes/sword-binder-wizard/
THanks in advance!

[Belafon]

Arcane Bloodline (and others) wrote:

At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as a wizard equal to your sorcerer level. Your sorcerer levels stack with any wizard levels you possess when determining the powers of your familiar or bonded object. This ability does not allow you to have both a familiar and a bonded item.

Stack. You don’t get another.

[Icestormshadow]

Belafon wrote:

Arcane Bloodline (and others) wrote:

At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as a wizard equal to your sorcerer level. Your sorcerer levels stack with any wizard levels you possess when determining the powers of your familiar or bonded object. This ability does not allow you to have both a familiar and a bonded item.

Stack. You don’t get another.

From what you just quoted, it doesn't seem to state that it doesn't allow multiple Bonded Items, only that the levels stack, i also saw that it says that it doesn't allow me to have both a familiar and a bonded item, RAI this is most likely correct, but with RAW, it seems to me that i can have multiple

Thanks!

[Meirril]

Icestormshadow wrote:

OKay, I am dipping into crossblooded Vestige/Arcane, both of these grant Bonded Items, then the Sword Binder Wizard Archetype, which grants a 3rd Bonded Item, i have several questions

Is this allowed, and if so (or not), explain
Would i be able to get three swords and use the Sword Binder's powers on all of them?
Sword Binder is basically Yondo's Knife, but with swords, link here
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo-wizar d-archetypes/sword-binder-wizard/
THanks in advance!

So lets tick down the numbers.

First, you are a crossblooded sorcerer. So which of your 2 first level choices did you take? Arcane bond(SU/Arcane Bloodline 1st) or Bonded Object(SP/Vestige Bloodline 1)? You can eventually take both, but only when you'd be able to gain a bloodline power or in place of your bloodline feat. If you don't keep increasing your Sorcerer level, you won't gain the duplicate ability to get an arcane bond.

And when you do gain a new ability to pick an object to be your arcane bond, it only means you have an opportunity to replace your current bonded object. If you look at all the verbiage involving arcane bonds and bonded objects it always refers to one, and what happens when your object is destroyed and how it can be replaced. This includes the verbiage for the archetype you want to use, and even if you did have multiple bonded weapons you'd only make 1 attack because you gain the Hand of the Apprentice ability from the universalist school which only propels a single weapon.

What you want to happen has multiple points of failure.

There are a few archetypes that do explicitly give you multiple bonded objects (like Spellslinger), but they usually alter the way arcane bond works as well.

So no, you can't have multiple bonded objects. If you could, everybody would make every peice of gear a bonded object so they never have to deal with the concentration penalty for not having it. And even if you could, the Sword Binder's ability says it works as the Universalists ability that only works with one weapon at a time.

The Sustained Force ability of Telekinesis also says it works with a single object. Sustained Force is also "a gentle, sustained force" which implies that it is only good for moving the object and manipulating it. That isn't given any combat effectiveness and appears to simply be a way to scout with clairvoyance using your sword/bond as a focus.

[Icestormshadow]

Meirril wrote:

Icestormshadow wrote:

OKay, I am dipping into crossblooded Vestige/Arcane, both of these grant Bonded Items, then the Sword Binder Wizard Archetype, which grants a 3rd Bonded Item, i have several questions

Is this allowed, and if so (or not), explain
Would i be able to get three swords and use the Sword Binder's powers on all of them?
Sword Binder is basically Yondo's Knife, but with swords, link here
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo-wizar d-archetypes/sword-binder-wizard/
THanks in advance!

So lets tick down the numbers.

First, you are a crossblooded sorcerer. So which of your 2 first level choices did you take? Arcane bond(SU/Arcane Bloodline 1st) or Bonded Object(SP/Vestige Bloodline 1)? You can eventually take both, but only when you'd be able to gain a bloodline power or in place of your bloodline feat. If you don't keep increasing your Sorcerer level, you won't gain the duplicate ability to get an arcane bond.

And when you do gain a new ability to pick an object to be your arcane bond, it only means you have an opportunity to replace your current bonded object. If you look at all the verbiage involving arcane bonds and bonded objects it always refers to one, and what happens when your object is destroyed and how it can be replaced. This includes the verbiage for the archetype you want to use, and even if you did have multiple bonded weapons you'd only make 1 attack because you gain the Hand of the Apprentice ability from the universalist school which only propels a single weapon.

What you want to happen has multiple points of failure.

There are a few archetypes that do explicitly give you multiple bonded objects (like Spellslinger), but they usually alter the way arcane bond works as well.

So no, you can't have multiple bonded objects. If you could, everybody would make every peice of gear a bonded object so they never have to deal with the concentration penalty for not having it. And even if you could, the Sword Binder's ability...

Drat! oh well, thanks for the help, (and your time)