Can a Wizard learn spells from an Alchemist's Formulae List?


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I am looking to create an alchemist as my next character but I am curious. I know Alchemist gets the ability to copy spells from a spellbook, but could a wizard copy from an alchemist's formulae list?

Grand Lodge

Tkayafox wrote:
I am looking to create an alchemist as my next character but I am curious. I know Alchemist gets the ability to copy spells from a spellbook, but could a wizard copy from an alchemist's formulae list?

No. See alchemist class description:

An alchemist can study a wizard’s spellbook to learn any formula that is equivalent to a spell the spellbook contains. A wizard, however, cannot learn spells from a formula book. An alchemist does not need to decipher arcane writings before copying them.

Source: https://www.aonprd.com/ClassDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Alchemist

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Alchemical Affinity (Magical Marketplace pg. 18): Having studied alongside alchemists, you’ve learned to use their methodologies to enhance your spellcraft. Whenever you cast a spell that appears on both the wizard and alchemist spell lists, you treat your caster level as 1 higher than normal and the save DC of such spells increases by 1. Additionally, you may copy spells from an alchemist’s formula book into your spellbook just as you could with another wizard’s spellbook. You must be at least a 5th-level wizard to select this discovery.


To add some clarity to this, an alchemist can use a wizard's spell book to learn a formula found on the alchemist's formulae list. The arcane discovery mentioned by Jeff also lets a wizard do the reverse by adding an alchemist formula found on the wizard's spell list.

This normally cannot be used to learn a spell not on your class' spell list, for example a wizard couldn't learn Cure Light Wounds.


no. See alchemist class description.

as usual there are some exceptions as pointed out above.

the CRB lets PCs access an NPC caster's book to scribe from for 50% of the scribe cost, making the process cost 1.5*ScribeCost. You can also copy from other casters or captured NPC spellbooks, etc. Secret Page can reduce the cost, check with your GM on limitations. Wiz with bonded objects usually have more spells than those with familiars.


Umm... can't this be accomplished through Spell Research though?

Dark Archive

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:
Umm... can't this be accomplished through Spell Research though?

Spell research is basically Paizo endorsed Homebrew material and therefore shouldn't be assumed to be allowed at all tables. In my personal experience, most tables don't allow it.


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Shame; I've had the opposite experience. Find more open-minded tables. : )


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I'm usually pretty skeptical of spell research as a GM. I'm open to it conceptually, but I would expect it to be creating a new and interesting spell.

I am unlikely to approve just adding another classes spell to your list or something that just does more damage or has a better save. There are a lot of spells that already exist, so I'd expect a new spell to be both different and balanced, which is pretty tough to achieve.

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