Assuming that you're talking about a wizard taking eldrtich heritage and taking the arcane bloodline with it, I would say yes.
However, you'll notice that outside of how quickly the familiar gains abilities this doesn't do very much.
For example. lets look at what a 10th level wizard with a familiar would normally get, vs what a 10th level wizard with eldrtich heritage would get.
assumptions:
Wizard has 56 hp
Normal 10th level wizard
HD: 10
HP: 28
Natural armor: +5
Attacks: +5 to hit
Saves: same as wizard
Skills: same as wizard
Abilities: Alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link, Deliver touch spells, Speak with master, Speak with animals of its kind
10th level wizard with eldritch heritage arcane
HD: 18
HP: 28
Natural armor: +9
Attacks: +5 to hit
Saves: same as wizard
Skills: same as wizard
Abilities: Alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link, Deliver touch spells, Speak with master, Speak with animals of its kind , Spell resistance (23), scry on familiar
The reason they are so similar is that only HD, Natural armor and abilities are based on the master's level. And even then, HD are divorced from HP.
I imagine it would be a different story if it were a Mauler Familiar, and maybe a Spirit Binder wizard, making use of evolved familiar (giving the familiar pounce if we choose a quadruped) and Duplicate Familiar.
Spirit Binder is the only one of those that substantially benefits from this since it gives the familiar non-trivial scaling abilities. Without it, the resulting familiar is pretty similar to what you would normally get.
Edit: looking at it further, spirit binder used this way is less OP then it might seem. You give up your bonus feats to give them to your familiar and so you're literally transferring feats from yourself to the familiar. Also, this ability is based on your character's progression not the familiar's, since it replaces the wizard bonus feats. So it wouldn't gain these bonus feats at an accelerated rate. Base Saves progress so slowly that the increased bonus may not be noticeable since the difference between 12 and 20 for a good save is only +4 and for a bad save it's only +2. The BAB is the real winner here. The accelerated BAB means that it will max out it's number of iterative attacks at 12th level (assuming a full BAB class is picked). This has the makings of something interesting for sure.
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You can't gain a class feature twice, much like you can't gain (most) feats twice.
The wizard familiar is an arcane bond class feature, as is the Eldritch heritage. I can't find anything about familiars RAW, but no animal should be allowed to exceed your hit dice, minus one occasion with the Oracle
You can gain a class feature twice though. Lots of healing builds do this with channel. Technically you can always gain the same feat multiple times too. It just doesn’t do anything unless specified otherwise.
If a character has the same feat more than once, its benefits do not stack unless indicated otherwise in the description.
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Yeah, this doesn't work, like... not at all.
You treat your Class Levels as Sorcerer Levels for the purpose of the Bloodline, the Bloodline gives you Arcane Bond which treats your Sorcerer levels as Wizard Levels.
You already HAVE wizard levels, and in no way shape or form can you Stack Wizard Levels + Wizard Levels, it simply doesn't work like that- You cannot use this as a work-around way to double the HD and power of your Familiar in order to pump them up into some kind of insane monstrosity.
Do you have a rules source saying you can’t stack wizard levels with wizard levels?
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Do you have a rules source saying you can’t stack wizard levels with wizard levels?
The Familiar rules in Wizard state:
Levels of different classes that are entitled to familiars stack for the purpose of determining any familiar abilities that depend on the master's level.
It's a simple as this-
The Character has X levels for Arcane Bond Familiar from Wizard
The Character has X levels -2 from Eld Heritage
Since the Arcane Bond granted by Eld Heritage treats the "Sorcerer levels" as Wizard Levels these are NOT treated as separate classes and in since specific beats general this line here clearly indicates that Wizard + Wizard does not stack for the purpose of the Familiar. The levels are from the SAME class and as such the PC is NOT entitled to stacking them.
Just because you're getting the same thing from two different sources does not mean that you're magically allowed to add your Class Level to the formula twice.
That being said if your GM is ok with running with your personal interpretation that's totally in their wheelhouse to decide.
All options that grant familiar levels mention wizard levels though. You aren’t really adding wizard levels to wizard levels but wizard levels to sorcerer levels.
The Character has X levels for Arcane Bond Familiar from Wizard
The Character has X levels -2 from Eld Heritage
This isn't true. Eldritch heritage is Character level - 2. Base Wizard is Class level - 0.
Example 1:
If a 10th level fighter were to take eld heritage(arcane) their familiar would be based on an effective wizard level of 8.
Example 2:
If the fighter took 1 level in wizard instead of eld heritage (making them a Wizard 1, Fighter 9) their familiar would be based on an effective wizard level of 1.
Example 3:
If the fighter from example 2 now took 5 levels in witch (making them Wizard 1, Fighter 9, Witch 5) their familiar would be based on an effective wizard level of 6.
The only reason the OP is getting overlap is because one ability is based on levels in a class (in this case wizard) and the other ability is based on character levels. As others have pointed out the same thing happens with animal companions. The feat horse master causes similar overlap since it changes progression so that it's no longer based on class and instead is based on character level. Its not like the feat makes it so that levels in cavalier suddenly stop stacking with levels in druid to determine your effective druid level.
The Character has X levels for Arcane Bond Familiar from Wizard
The Character has X levels -2 from Eld Heritage
This isn't true. Eldritch heritage is Character level - 2. Base Wizard is Class level - 0.
Example 1:
If a 10th level fighter were to take eld heritage(arcane) their familiar would be based on an effective wizard level of 8.Example 2:
If the fighter took 1 level in wizard instead of eld heritage (making them a Wizard 1, Fighter 9) their familiar would be based on an effective wizard level of 1.
Nope. It would still be effectively 8.
Example 3:
If the fighter from example 2 now took 5 levels in witch (making them Wizard 1, Fighter 9, Witch 5) their familiar would be based on an effective wizard level of 6.
Nope. It would be effectively 13.
The only reason the OP is getting overlap is because one ability is based on levels in a class (in this case wizard) and the other ability is based on character levels. As others have pointed out the same thing happens with animal companions. The feat horse master causes similar overlap since it changes progression so that it's no longer based on class and instead is based on character level. Its not like the feat makes it so that levels in cavalier suddenly stop stacking with levels in druid to determine your effective druid level.
Eldritch heritage places a minimum effective level of HD - 2 no matter what classes you have.
As to doubling up levels, each level can add at most 1 to the total. You don't get to add the same level twice.Getting a familiar at higher than your level takes work with some special stuff. I don't know if there is a FCB for it, and I think there is something under Oracles that can do this. But that is all I can think of.
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There is the rule that things from the same source do not stack. You are get credit for your wizard levels for being a wizard. Since eldritch heritage uses your character level which includes your wizard levels they are the same source and therefor do not stack.
Nope. It would still be effectively 8.
How do you get an effective level of 8 from Wizard 1, Fighter 9?
I think you missed that in examples 2 and 3 the character does not have eldritch heritage.
There is the rule that things from the same source do not stack. You are get credit for your wizard levels for being a wizard. Since eldritch heritage uses your character level which includes your wizard levels they are the same source and therefor do not stack.
those "things" are specifically untyped bonuses
Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.
what's being discussed are not untyped bonuses.
There is the rule that things from the same source do not stack. You are get credit for your wizard levels for being a wizard. Since eldritch heritage uses your character level which includes your wizard levels they are the same source and therefor do not stack.
Level is not a recognized "source" in the stacking FAQ, so the limits of source stacking do not apply to it.
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It's clear that those here who are trying to defend this and those opposed are entrenched and I doubt this will ever officially clarified at this point.
You're trying to justify a minion with more BAB, HP, better Saves than a Fighter of the same level with more attacks, and the ability to get a full attack on a Charge.
This is patent munchkin nonsense that only BARELY makes sense if you DO misinterpret how these abilities work.
If you want to say you'd allow it in your game, cool, that's homebrew. Otherwise, you're making a very very silly argument trying to say you can count your Character Level twice for the purpose of calculating this. If you think I'm wrong, go ahead and ask your local PFS folks, or even better try showing up to an actual game table with this trash and see how fast you are corrected or kicked from the table for being disruptive and exploitative.
It's clear that those here who are trying to defend this and those opposed are entrenched and I doubt this will ever officially clarified at this point.
You're trying to justify a minion with more BAB, HP, better Saves than a Fighter of the same level with more attacks, and the ability to get a full attack on a Charge.
This is patent munchkin nonsense that only BARELY makes sense if you DO misinterpret how these abilities work.
If you want to say you'd allow it in your game, cool, that's homebrew. Otherwise, you're making a very very silly argument trying to say you can count your Character Level twice for the purpose of calculating this. If you think I'm wrong, go ahead and ask your local PFS folks, or even better try showing up to an actual game table with this trash and see how fast you are corrected or kicked from the table for being disruptive and exploitative.
A Halfling Spirit Binder wizard ends up with a minion with more BAB, HP(Assuming Wizards get more HP) and better saves then a fighter of the same level, and the ability to get a full attack on a charge. All without even touching eldritch heritage. As I stated in my first response, stacking isn't the problem. The spirit binder archetype is the problem.
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You're even insisting that it can have HD above where the table stops? This is truly beyond the pale in terms of stretching the rules yo.
This straight up belongs in Advice or Homebrew, regardless of you three repeatedly insisting that somehow Wizard Levels stack with Wizard Levels when it clearly states that only DIFFERENT Classes qualify to stack.
I guess you can't help some people....
You're even insisting that it can have HD above where the table stops? This is truly beyond the pale in terms of stretching the rules yo.
This straight up belongs in Advice or Homebrew, regardless of you three repeatedly insisting that somehow Wizard Levels stack with Wizard Levels when it clearly states that only DIFFERENT Classes qualify to stack.
I guess you can't help some people....
apparently 14th level halfling wizards are homebrew.....
it's a shame there aren't like, official guidelines or anything for how to deal with abilities that are post level 20.
And given that there is an faq that allows one to double dip levels for animal companions with the stipulation that they can not have more than 1 hit die over their masters level also puts all the naysayers down.
As I recall, that FAQ is for PFS, not the game in general.
But I do think that a lot of problems could be solved with a simple ruling that you can't stack character levels with class levels for features you have that are based on both.