[SFS]Gill Sheath Question


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...is there a landborne equivalent for our aquatic friends in Starfinder Society? Can it be purchased for the same price if so?

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Yep.

Item Level 1; Price 95; System Lungs

An external lining striated with oxygen-filtering nodules coats the outside of your lungs. If you breathe in water, it filters into the lining, where the nodules extract the oxygen and deposit it into your lungs. This lets you breathe underwater or in the air.

Starfinder uses the same "Flavor first, Mechanics second" style of describing what a feat/spell/item does that Pathfinder used.

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Yeah, I see no reason why a gill sheath doesn't help a Kalo breathe on land.

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After reading and rereading several times, I would say that it only works for air to water. I came to this conclusion mainly because it is only 95 credits. Also the wording to support from water to air is a stretch considering the fact that the entire rest of the description is about air to water. I believe that last sentence was added in to reiterate that it didn't change that you switched to only being able to breathe water.

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The 95 credit cost factored into my conclusion as well. For a game where Life Bubble is a 1st-level spell and all modern armor includes environmental protections, breathing air or water shouldn't cost hardly anything.

What would be the point of including the phrase "breathe underwater or in the air"?

If it was meant to only work for air breathers, the flavor and the mechanics could easily have been accommodated to emphasize that.

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I'm not arguing that it shouldn't or even that it doesn't work to give water breathers the ability to breath air, but the point of the second sentence is to clarify that the air breather can still breathe air despite the gill sheathes.

Now as to the 'does it.' The entire design describes an artificial gill, not an artificial lung. It talks about taking air out of water with no mention of creating water out of air. So there's that, for what it's worth.

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95 credits and one of your invaluable augmentation slots.

A Mk. 1 Black Heart gives you 2 days of full environmental protections and saving throw bonuses as well for 200 credits and an augmentation slot (and a nigh-inconsequential vulnerability to anti-undead effects).

Suggesting that 95 credits is not enough for an aquatic creature to breathe air in a setting with black hearts, Life Bubbles, and 25 credit space suits is needlessly punishing people's race choices.

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I don't have any opinion on 'should it.' I don't see any problem with Kalo walking around outside of armor. Why would any Starfinder be walking around outside of water? I don't know. For that reason, why would anyone need gill sheathes? "Just in case," is my answer. It's probably the answer for players of aquatic races wanting an air breathing mechanism.

...and if something was stated officially that gill sheathes work both ways, then cool.

But you'd basically be reskinning the mechanics. You're reskinning an artificial gill to be an artificial lung.

So I wouldn't recommend this to any players. Expect table variation (this thread proves there's table variation), but if you don't travel outside your local group and your local GMs agree to it, no harm done.

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Blake's Tiger wrote:

I don't have any opinion on 'should it.' I don't see any problem with Kalo walking around outside of armor. Why would any Starfinder be walking around outside of water? I don't know. For that reason, why would anyone need gill sheathes? "Just in case," is my answer. It's probably the answer for players of aquatic races wanting an air breathing mechanism.

...and if something was stated officially that gill sheathes work both ways, then cool.

But you'd basically be reskinning the mechanics. You're reskinning an artificial gill to be an artificial lung.

So I wouldn't recommend this to any players. Expect table variation (this thread proves there's table variation), but if you don't travel outside your local group and your local GMs agree to it, no harm done.

But it is already official.

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Item Level 1; Price 95; System Lungs

An external lining striated with oxygen-filtering nodules coats the outside of your lungs. If you breathe in water, it filters into the lining, where the nodules extract the oxygen and deposit it into your lungs. This lets you breathe underwater or in the air.

This is explicitly that it works both ways. What you are asking for is a developer to come out and say that it specifically does NOT work both ways, that the Rules as Intended are unnecessarily exclusive. I have a hard time believing that they would do that.

Frankly, I don't care if artificial gills work as artificial lungs. It's a setting with space magic and advanced biotech. Gills that let a fish breathe air is the least unlikely thing that you will probably see at my regular Starfinder Society table. I mean, my nuar technomancer steward officer has magic horseshoes that let him walk over thin air; are we really going to complain about a kalo's super gills?

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Have to agree with Tiger on this one.

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No, we're going to complain about making up abilities for items.

You have to spin it to make it do both.

It does not say, "Gill sheathes [or even 'these'] let you breathe underwater or in air."

It says, "This lets you breathe underwater or in air."

What is "this?"

"If you breathe in water, it filters into the lining, where the nodules extract the oxygen and deposit it into your lungs."

And I'm not asking for a developer to do anything. I believe the text is clear in what it does and does not do.

At least two people believe it works both ways.

Ergo, table variation.

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Dracomicron wrote:
Life Bubbles, and 25 credit space suits is needlessly punishing people's race choices.

I admit, I hadn't considered the cost of the relevant alternatives. That said, you seem to imply that choosing a species that reacts to standard environments differently should be easy. I disagree. I play a khizar and relish the lengths I have to go to be able to 'see', because it makes sense based on my choice. Very few other species experience such environment restrictions. I personally disagree with just hand-waiving this weakness of the species. That said, ya'll can do what you want and interpret it how you want. I will likely never play with you (due to location difference), so how you play/interpret has absolutely no effect one me.

Again, that said, what Tiger said, expect table variation. Though you think that is clearly states one thing, others disagree. I suggest doing what I do with some of my characters that have debated on mechanics: ask the GM how they would rule it, and either play or don't play that character accordingly. I personally have asked and chosen to play an alternate character based on the GMs ruling. It happens, people disagree, no hard feelings.

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