#10-16: What The Helms Hide


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4/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Southcoast aka JDDyslexia

So, I know I'm jumping on this pretty early, but mostly because I'm GMing this on Friday and Saturday.

The Chronicle Sheet doesn't appear to be correct. It seems like there should be a table for the gold amounts earned by level, but it didn't import properly.

Is this something that can be fixed ASAP?

Paizo Employee Organized Play Developer

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We're looking into getting this updated ASAP.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

What room on flip mat Museum is used for area A2? A map is not included in the scenario.

4/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Southcoast aka JDDyslexia

Christian Dragos wrote:
What room on flip mat Museum is used for area A2? A map is not included in the scenario.

Seems like they didn't bother since there's no combat.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

Kinda what I had thought. Thanks, Joe.

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Joe Bouchard wrote:
Christian Dragos wrote:
What room on flip mat Museum is used for area A2? A map is not included in the scenario.
Seems like they didn't bother since there's no combat.

It isn't a combat encounter, but a map for Area A2 does indeed exist!

The map can be found in:

Issue 3 of the Pathfinder comic along with a familiar face from the quest, a write-up on the museum, and a pretty great story too!

Sovereign Court 4/5 ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta aka The Masked Ferret

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Could you guys go ahead and put the correct numbers for the gold here?

I have to run this Saturday...

Sovereign Court 4/5 ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta aka The Masked Ferret

Lysle wrote:
Joe Bouchard wrote:
Christian Dragos wrote:
What room on flip mat Museum is used for area A2? A map is not included in the scenario.
Seems like they didn't bother since there's no combat.

It isn't a combat encounter, but a map for Area A2 does indeed exist!

** spoiler omitted **

So, you got the correct map if you bought one of the Humble Bundles...

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

A magical wand for each tier are in the treasure at the end of the fourth quest. It would be awesome if these were included on the chronicle sheet.

Sovereign Court 4/5 ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta aka The Masked Ferret

Christian Dragos wrote:
A magical wand for each tier are in the treasure at the end of the fourth quest. It would be awesome if these were included on the chronicle sheet.

Not more missing magic wands....

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

Also waiting to redownload when the scenario is updated. Thankfully we don't have it scheduled until next month.

Paizo Employee Organized Play Developer

Glen Parnell wrote:
Christian Dragos wrote:
A magical wand for each tier are in the treasure at the end of the fourth quest. It would be awesome if these were included on the chronicle sheet.
Not more missing magic wands....

We have been intentionally not including items like the wand of detect secret doors on Chronicle sheets since these are things you can already easily obtain normally with prestige.

Glen Parnell wrote:

Could you guys go ahead and put the correct numbers for the gold here?

I have to run this Saturday...

I'll pull these from the source PDF when I get into the office in a couple hours and post them here and in the product thread.

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Also waiting to redownload when the scenario is updated. Thankfully we don't have it scheduled until next month.

I'll be following up with tech when I get in to the office to see if we have an ETA for this yet.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

The wand of hypercognition with 25 charges for subtier 4-5 would be nice on the chronicle sheet.

Paizo Employee Organized Play Developer

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Correct Gold Chart for 10–16:

Quests
1) L1: 125, L2: 175, L3: 300, L4: 400, L5: 500

2) L1: 225, L2: 350, L3: 600, L4: 800, L5: 1,000

3) L1: 325, L2: 525, L3: 900, L4: 1,200, L5: 1,500

4) L1: 425, L2: 700, L3: 1,200, L4: 1,600, L5: 2,000

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

Michael Sayre wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

So, if a PC is 4th level and completes 3 quests, they get 1,200 gp?

Sovereign Court 4/5 ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta aka The Masked Ferret

@michael

Thank you very much for the gold values!

since they are full wands (mending and detect secret doors), I understand. Thanks for the clarification. (I am still missing the partial Wand of Shield of Faith from 05-08 The Confirmation chronicle).

That Wand of Hypercognition (25 charges) would have been a nice addition.

Paizo Employee Organized Play Developer

Christian Dragos wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
** spoiler omitted **
So, if a PC is 4th level and completes 3 quests, they get 1,200 gp?

Correct.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

According to the scenario, in A1, there are 15 plant matter artifacts, but the map only shows 12?

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

Also, the scenario knowledge check refers to Pathfinders behaving badly due to a lack of supervision from "Far off varisia."

Shouldn't that be "Far off Absolom?"

4/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Southcoast aka JDDyslexia

Michael Sayre wrote:
Christian Dragos wrote:


So, if a PC is 4th level and completes 3 quests, they get 1,200 gp?

Correct.

Question: Will the PDF still be updated?

Paizo Employee Organized Play Developer

Joe Bouchard wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
Christian Dragos wrote:


So, if a PC is 4th level and completes 3 quests, they get 1,200 gp?

Correct.

Question: Will the PDF still be updated?

I've been out sick the last couple days and thought this was already taken care of, let me do a little digging and see what's going on.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West

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I might have missed it but where is the prestige rewards on the table? It looks like the "Other" rewards column has been placed in the prestige column. I assume it's 2 PP if you do all 4 quests, and 1 otherwise?

Since the PDF hasn't been updated yet, I rebuilt the table and put it on pfsprep. "Autumn" is misspelled… but whatever… it should work for now :)

I plan on printing this on the back of players' chronicle sheets, in case they don't complete all 4 quests.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka thistledown

If the PC's decide to murderhobo the Crocus Knight, what are her stats? It says if diplomacy goes bad she runs off, but some parties might not even try to talk. Or they'll try to track her down when she flees - what's the DC to find her?

Shadow Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka thistledown

James Anderson wrote:
If the PC's decide to murderhobo the Crocus Knight, what are her stats? It says if diplomacy goes bad she runs off, but some parties might not even try to talk. Or they'll try to track her down when she flees - what's the DC to find her?

Not that it'd be easy - she's CR 9!

Liberty's Edge 3/5 Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha

Plus she just retreats to the woods.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West

Is there any chance the Autumn's Cowl should be on the chronicle sheet? One of my players was super bummed that it wasn't on there.

Dark Archive 4/5 Venture-Agent, Finland—Turku aka Tomppa

Likewise, the chronicle is still borked.

Silver Crusade 4/5 Venture-Agent, Ohio—Cincinnati

Speaking of borked chronicle sheets, how much XP is this thing actually worth? The chart makes it appear as if it’s always only one point.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

All quest series are only worth 1 XP, no matter how many quests you complete.

Silver Crusade 4/5 Venture-Agent, Ohio—Cincinnati

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
All quest series are only worth 1 XP, no matter how many quests you complete.

Right, of course. That'll teach me to post while tired. I blame the decaf.

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Aaron Tysen wrote:


Right, of course. That'll teach me to post while tired. I blame the decaf.

DECAF?? HERESY!!

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Helpful hints and thoughts based on the two plays I ran at PaizoCon this year:

1. Be sure to print out all the briefing letters, and a couple of copies of what the associates can do to help the pary.

2. On my first run I managed to catch most of the party in the haunt of Droskar's place. It got pretty rough. On my second when it triggered there was only one person who was there and he made the save like a champ.

3. I had someone in my second table rocking a 4th level druid who had taken Burst of Radiance as one of their spells. They managed a rather thorough 'purging' in the third and the last chapters as a result. Be mindful of this possibility.

4. I wore a hoodie with the hood drawn down over my face when I was roleplaying the Crocus Knight to emphasize Autumn's Cowl. It seemed to work very well, and set the stage for the last chapter as folks could *see* what was meant by 'wearing cowls'.

May everyone have a fun time running this, as well as everyone's players having fun playing this!

Silver Crusade

Since this is a quest series, is it replayable?

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Canada—Manitoba—Brandon aka kevin_video

Fromper wrote:
Since this is a quest series, is it replayable?

It's assumed that yes you can, but with a 1st level character.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Indiana—Southern aka CanisDirus

What the Helms Hide, page 4 wrote:
What The Helms Hide can be replayed for credit, but the credit must be applied to a different character each time.

By the language in the adventure itself, it is re-playable (and re-GM-able) with a different character each time.

That being said, in the past there have been adventures with similar language that were later "corrected" by Paizo developers on the PFS forums to add in language that you could replay unlimited times with 1st level PCs but only once with level 2+ characters. Whether that will be the case with this scenario remains to be seen.

Hope that helps!

Silver Crusade

So are we ever going to get an updated chronicle sheet with the correct gold on it? Given that this thread implied it was supposed to be done nearly 3 months ago, this is kinda pathetic.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Canada—Manitoba—Brandon aka kevin_video

Fromper wrote:
So are we ever going to get an updated chronicle sheet with the correct gold on it? Given that this thread implied it was supposed to be done nearly 3 months ago, this is kinda pathetic.

Probably won't happen until after August when 2.0 comes out and things finally settle down.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

Things never settle down.

5/5 Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka Pirate Rob

I fell there's there's definitely a period in September/October where lingering projects get taken care of.

That said I suspect this will never be fixed.

The Exchange 5/5

Michael Sayre wrote:
Joe Bouchard wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
Christian Dragos wrote:


So, if a PC is 4th level and completes 3 quests, they get 1,200 gp?

Correct.

Question: Will the PDF still be updated?
I've been out sick the last couple days and thought this was already taken care of, let me do a little digging and see what's going on.

Played this this weekend, at a table with five 4th level PCs...

the Chronicle we were given still lists the GP rewards for completing all 4 Quests at 400 gp. Which is what our Judge noted.

Is there a procedure for "fixing" this? Other than to just chock the 1200gp lose up to learning to review the CR the judge hands me sooner than when I get home?

Dark Archive 4/5 Venture-Agent, Finland—Turku aka Tomppa

nosig wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
Joe Bouchard wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:
Christian Dragos wrote:


So, if a PC is 4th level and completes 3 quests, they get 1,200 gp?

Correct.

Question: Will the PDF still be updated?
I've been out sick the last couple days and thought this was already taken care of, let me do a little digging and see what's going on.

Played this this weekend, at a table with five 4th level PCs...

the Chronicle we were given still lists the GP rewards for completing all 4 Quests at 400 gp. Which is what our Judge noted.

Is there a procedure for "fixing" this? Other than to just chock the 1200gp lose up to learning to review the CR the judge hands me sooner than when I get home?

Contact said judge and ask for them to fix it, or contact your local venture officer.

Alternatively, since it's a known problem and getting 400 gold means you probably got all the gold and didn't miss anything, you could just fix the chronicle yourself. I still recommend first contacting your GM and your local VO about it so that they know what's going on.

The Exchange 5/5

We'll speak to our local VO, but the judge was at a venue 2 hours away from home, and I'm not sure how I'd even get in contact now. Thanks for the reply!

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