I can just make an attack with the tekko-kagi as a weapon, but it has to be a shield bash for feat interaction reasons.
The limiting rule is the 'can be used defensively' line in Tekko-Kagi. Shield bashing is obviously not a defensive use.
Corrollary question is could I use this with Weapon Trick: Sword and Shield?
Buckler Bash (Ex): At 2nd level, a buckler duelist can perform a shield bash with a buckler (use the same damage and critical modifier as for a light shield). This ability replaces bravery. Weapon and Shield Tricks: You can use these tricks only while wielding a shield and a weapon you can wield in one hand. It can be used as an offensive weapon or defensively like a buckler
It can already be used as its own weapon.
Now, if you are looking for Shield Bash shenanigans, yes, I believe it works... as it does say that it functions as a buckler.
So things that work with bucklers should work with it, as well.
Upsetting Shield Style, Unhindering Shield, the Buckler Duelist's bash ability, and so forth.
while love the tekko-kagi , id say no. since you can use it defensively as a buckler, but here you try to use it offensively... it is not a buckler, you can only use it as such for defense.
zza ni wrote: while love the tekko-kagi , id say no. since you can use it defensively as a buckler, but here you try to use it offensively... it is not a buckler, you can only use it as such for defense. Normally you can only use any buckler for defense.
Having class abilities that change the nature of the buckler to be used offensively is a whole different thing.
There are feats and fighting styles that allow you to do the same.
With the tekko-kagi, you can always offensively attack with the claws.
However, to Shield Bash with the flats of the blades requires special investment to be able to do, and should be allowed given that the Tekko-kagi includes the words of acting like a buckler.
I have to disagree. It acts defensively like a buckler, offensively like a weapon. So if used to shield bash with a buckler it couldn't as it only acts as one defensively.
Zza ni I think may be correct, regrettably.
A GM may make an allowance,(I certainly could be convinced) but strictest RAW its only a buckler defensively.
It pretty clearly states that it is only a buckler when used defensively. Any other time, it isn't a buckler or a shield of any type, it is a weapon.
There is no other way to use a buckler, normally. So of course it works as a buckler defensively if it works as a buckler at all.
The feats or class levels you have to invest to bash with a buckler are what allows you to use any buckler offensively, and in this particular case, anything that says it acts like a buckler.
For the investment required, I would absolutely allow it and will obviously fight for it to be allowed.
And I dont disagree with you that it's worth talking to a GM for. But since it could only be used defensively normally, there would be no need to state it could only be used defensively as a buckler. The fact they went out and said it anyways makes it clear the rule.
VoodistMonk wrote: There is no other way to use a buckler, normally. So of course it works as a buckler defensively if it works as a buckler at all.
The feats or class levels you have to invest to bash with a buckler are what allows you to use any buckler offensively, and in this particular case, anything that says it acts like a buckler.
For the investment required, I would absolutely allow it and will obviously fight for it to be allowed.
Why would you fight for it to be allowed? It does the same damage as a light shield, which a buckler would do with the very niche Swashbuckler archetype EX ability. So you can spend an exotic weapon proficiency to get the equivalent of Improved Disarm?
You don't even need the EX ability to attack with it, since it is a weapon and not a buckler. But the OP wants to get shield feats to work with it when he attacks so he needs it to be a buckler or shield all of the time.
So the honest question here is: what is wrong with using a buckler? What benefit does the OP want out of this? A lot of feats are being spent here, explain why aren't they being wasted?
I've got a couple reasons. It's a disarm+feint build and I wanted to hold a non-weapon in my other hand. Different things depending on the fight, such as using Disarm with an empty hand to grab opponents' weapon instead of throwing it to the ground.
I believe it's not possible now. I've got many other options, so that's OK.
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