What AC does a net target?


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From CRB page 169:

TARGETING ARMOR CLASS
Whether you compare an attack roll to the target’s Energy Armor Class (EAC) or Kinetic Armor Class (KAC) depends on the type of damage the weapon deals. In rare cases, a weapon’s damage type can be magically altered with weapon fusions (see page 191), but this never changes whether a weapon targets EAC or KAC.If the weapon deals only energy damage, the attack targets EAC. Energy damage generally includes acid, cold, electricity, fire, and sonic damage, though it also potentially includes magical or exotic untyped energies.If the weapon deals only kinetic damage, or if it deals both energy and kinetic damage, the attack targets KAC. Kinetic damage generally comes from attacks that deal bludgeoning, piercing, or slashing damage, as well as damage from crushing, constriction, or the impact from falling.For more about EAC and KAC, see Armor Class on page 240

But the nyfiber net has no damage and only entangles. So how do you know if it hits? Does it target KAC, because it is a physical net? EAC, because it seems to take the role that touch AC had in Pathfinder? Something else in an obscure sidebar that I've missed?

The FAQ entry on the nets only clarifies that they entangle and deal no damage.


The most logical answer is KAC.


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The most logical answer is EAC.

;P


The most logical answer is Reflex Save!

Yeah, I like to play the devil advocate :P

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Ill take it one step further and say KAC+8.


EAC is not equivalent to Touch AC.

I think the answer is KAC.


One more vote for KAC.


I'd also say KAC. It's a physical net and doesn't do energy damage, take charges, or have anything unique to it beyond 'it's a net'.

Definitely KAC.

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SuperBidi wrote:

The most logical answer is Reflex Save!

Yeah, I like to play the devil advocate :P

I think it's a sensible idea though. Armor shouldn't really have much bearing on how hard it is to catch you in a net.


Came up at a society table recently:
Is a Nyfber net a melee weapon you can throw (like a spear), or a ranged weapon with throw property. Important to know for potential attacks of opportunity. I ruled it was a ranged weapon only, as you let go of the net when it entangled your foe, which can provoke an Attack of Opportunity.


Ascalaphus wrote:
SuperBidi wrote:

The most logical answer is Reflex Save!

Yeah, I like to play the devil advocate :P

I think it's a sensible idea though. Armor shouldn't really have much bearing on how hard it is to catch you in a net.

There's unfortunately no rule like that in the book.

What I like with this idea, is that you can make a save of 10 + Half net's level + Dexterity modifier.
That way, you could release higher level nets. I dislike the concept of buying a first level weapon and keep it up to level 20.


Ascalaphus wrote:
SuperBidi wrote:

The most logical answer is Reflex Save!

Yeah, I like to play the devil advocate :P

I think it's a sensible idea though. Armor shouldn't really have much bearing on how hard it is to catch you in a net.

Or how hard it is to grapple you.

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Xenocrat wrote:
Ascalaphus wrote:
SuperBidi wrote:

The most logical answer is Reflex Save!

Yeah, I like to play the devil advocate :P

I think it's a sensible idea though. Armor shouldn't really have much bearing on how hard it is to catch you in a net.

Or how hard it is to grapple you.

Isn't that the point of KAC+8?


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KAC+8 does determine how hard you are to grapple in this system. I believe the comment you are quoting is about how that makes no sense at all from a simulationist perspective.


depends on the size of the net. A tiny net is a death sentence, thus a death effect, thus requiring a Fortitude save.

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