paizo.com Recent Posts in Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotpaizo.com Recent Posts in Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slot2019-02-24T10:22:11Z2019-02-24T10:22:11ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotOmniMagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#122019-03-01T03:20:25Z2019-03-01T03:20:25Z<p>I don't like the item creation rules that say that the new abilities have their costs increased by 50%. I think the only thing it does is it pushes players to make new items, not improve the old. I stick to increase the price of the cheaper ability by 50% to keep it consistent with creating new magic items.</p>I don't like the item creation rules that say that the new abilities have their costs increased by 50%. I think the only thing it does is it pushes players to make new items, not improve the old. I stick to increase the price of the cheaper ability by 50% to keep it consistent with creating new magic items.OmniMage2019-03-01T03:20:25ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotCevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#112019-03-01T02:44:29Z2019-03-01T02:44:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">SorrySleeping wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Before adding Boots of Speed to existing boots, consider adding your existing boot effect to the Boots of Speed. It could save you a lot of cash.</p>
<p>Example:
<br />
Boots of the Cat — 1000 gp
<br />
Boots of Speed — 12000 gp</p>
<p>BotC add BoS — 19000 gp
<br />
BoS add BotC — 13500 gp</blockquote>I thought it was always 50% increase to the lower cost item to avoid this. </blockquote><p>That is what a merchant will assume as the price. But the rules are clear: the added item costs half again. Order of operations is important.
<p>/cevah</p>SorrySleeping wrote:Cevah wrote:Before adding Boots of Speed to existing boots, consider adding your existing boot effect to the Boots of Speed. It could save you a lot of cash.
Example:
Boots of the Cat -- 1000 gp
Boots of Speed -- 12000 gp
BotC add BoS -- 19000 gp
BoS add BotC -- 13500 gp
I thought it was always 50% increase to the lower cost item to avoid this. That is what a merchant will assume as the price. But the rules are clear: the added item costs half again. Order of operations...Cevah2019-03-01T02:44:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotSorrySleepinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#102019-03-01T01:23:27Z2019-03-01T01:23:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Before adding Boots of Speed to existing boots, consider adding your existing boot effect to the Boots of Speed. It could save you a lot of cash.</p>
<p>Example:
<br />
Boots of the Cat — 1000 gp
<br />
Boots of Speed — 12000 gp</p>
<p>BotC add BoS — 19000 gp
<br />
BoS add BotC — 13500 gp</p>
<p>/cevah
<br />
</blockquote><p>I thought it was always 50% increase to the lower cost item to avoid this.Cevah wrote:Before adding Boots of Speed to existing boots, consider adding your existing boot effect to the Boots of Speed. It could save you a lot of cash.
Example:
Boots of the Cat -- 1000 gp
Boots of Speed -- 12000 gp
BotC add BoS -- 19000 gp
BoS add BotC -- 13500 gp
/cevah
I thought it was always 50% increase to the lower cost item to avoid this.SorrySleeping2019-03-01T01:23:27ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotArcaianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#92019-03-01T00:49:05Z2019-03-01T00:49:05Z<p>Also worth noting that the boot item slot is, with the exception of Boots of Speed, mostly garbage. There are some situationaly good items - Boots of Elvenkind are excellent on a Circling Mongoose rogue, for example - but for the most part there aren't many items worth using in the item slot. Moving to a more 'crowded' item slot probably shouldn't increase the cost - if one of my PCs wanted to make a ring of speed, belt of speed, headband of speed, necklace of speed, or cloak of speed, I wouldn't increase the price, to be honest.</p>Also worth noting that the boot item slot is, with the exception of Boots of Speed, mostly garbage. There are some situationaly good items - Boots of Elvenkind are excellent on a Circling Mongoose rogue, for example - but for the most part there aren't many items worth using in the item slot. Moving to a more 'crowded' item slot probably shouldn't increase the cost - if one of my PCs wanted to make a ring of speed, belt of speed, headband of speed, necklace of speed, or cloak of speed, I...Arcaian2019-03-01T00:49:05ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotCevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#82019-03-01T00:39:42Z2019-03-01T00:39:42Z<p>Before adding Boots of Speed to existing boots, consider adding your existing boot effect to the Boots of Speed. It could save you a lot of cash.</p>
<p>Example:
<br />
Boots of the Cat — 1000 gp
<br />
Boots of Speed — 12000 gp</p>
<p>BotC add BoS — 19000 gp
<br />
BoS add BotC — 13500 gp</p>
<p>/cevah</p>Before adding Boots of Speed to existing boots, consider adding your existing boot effect to the Boots of Speed. It could save you a lot of cash.
Example:
Boots of the Cat -- 1000 gp
Boots of Speed -- 12000 gp
BotC add BoS -- 19000 gp
BoS add BotC -- 13500 gp
/cevahCevah2019-03-01T00:39:42ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotJared Walter 356 (alias of Jared Walter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#72019-02-25T03:14:34Z2019-02-25T03:14:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">mardaddy wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Sorry, been trying to find it... exactly where is the +50% increase in cost for the "wrong slot?"</p>
<p>Making it slotless doubles the cost, I knew that. But I cannot find the +50% for altering the slot, only admonishments that GM's should be reluctant or hesitate over allowing that for balance purposes. </blockquote><p>This was in 3.5, as far as I know it didn't officially make it to Pathfinder.
<p>I found the reference here: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm</p>
<p>but again that's not a pathfinder source.</p>
<p>the pathfinder sources say:
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Some Abilities Are Assigned to Certain Slots: Some of the magic items in the standard rules are deliberately assigned to specific magic item slots for balance purposes, so that you have to make hard choices about what items to wear. In particular, the magic belts and circlets that give enhancement bonuses to ability scores are in this category—characters who want to enhance multiple physical or mental ability scores must pay extra for combination items like a belt of physical might or headband of mental prowess.</p>
<p>If there is a trend of all items of a particular type using a particular slot (such as items that grant physical ability score bonuses being belts or items that grant movement bonuses being boots), GMs should be hesitant to allow you to move those abilities to other slots; otherwise, they ignore these deliberate restrictions by cheaply spreading out these items over unused slots.</p>mardaddy wrote:Sorry, been trying to find it... exactly where is the +50% increase in cost for the "wrong slot?"
Making it slotless doubles the cost, I knew that. But I cannot find the +50% for altering the slot, only admonishments that GM's should be reluctant or hesitate over allowing that for balance purposes.
This was in 3.5, as far as I know it didn't officially make it to Pathfinder. I found the reference here: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm
but again...Jared Walter 356 (alias of Jared Walter)2019-02-25T03:14:34ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotWarped Savanthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#62019-02-25T01:55:51Z2019-02-25T01:55:51Z<p>Page 172 of Ultimate Campaign has you covered:
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ultimate Campaign wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Altering Existing Items
</p>
The Core Rulebook doesn’t allow item creation feats to
<br />
alter the physical nature of an item, its default size, its
<br />
shape, or its magical properties. For example, there is
<br />
no mechanism for using crafting feats to change a steel
<br />
+1 longsword into an adamantine +1 longsword, a Large
<br />
+1 chain shirt into a Medium +1 chain shirt, boots of speed
<br />
into an amulet of speed, or a +1 unholy longsword into a +1
<br />
f laming shock longsword. Many GMs might decide that
<br />
these kinds of transformations are impossible, beyond
<br />
the scope of mortals, or not as cost-efficient as crafting
<br />
a new item from scratch. Others might allow these sorts
<br />
of transformations for free or a small surcharge. Keep in
<br />
mind the following warnings.</blockquote><p>So, in the end, it's up to the GM.
<p>(It's also on <a href="http://legacy.aonprd.com/ultimateCampaign/campaignSystems/magicItemCreation.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>this page</b></a> under "Altering Existing Irems")</p>Page 172 of Ultimate Campaign has you covered:
Ultimate Campaign wrote:Altering Existing Items
The Core Rulebook doesn’t allow item creation feats to
alter the physical nature of an item, its default size, its
shape, or its magical properties. For example, there is
no mechanism for using crafting feats to change a steel
+1 longsword into an adamantine +1 longsword, a Large
+1 chain shirt into a Medium +1 chain shirt, boots of speed
into an amulet of speed, or a +1 unholy longsword into a +1...Warped Savant2019-02-25T01:55:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotmardaddyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#52019-02-24T22:44:17Z2019-02-24T22:44:17Z<p>Sorry, been trying to find it... exactly where is the +50% increase in cost for the "wrong slot?"</p>
<p>Making it slotless doubles the cost, I knew that. But I cannot find the +50% for altering the slot, only admonishments that GM's should be reluctant or hesitate over allowing that for balance purposes.</p>Sorry, been trying to find it... exactly where is the +50% increase in cost for the "wrong slot?"
Making it slotless doubles the cost, I knew that. But I cannot find the +50% for altering the slot, only admonishments that GM's should be reluctant or hesitate over allowing that for balance purposes.mardaddy2019-02-24T22:44:17ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotVoodistMonkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#42019-02-24T19:30:17Z2019-02-24T19:30:17Z<p>You can add the magic of the Boots of Speed to whatever boots you are wearing now, at a 50% increase in price. </p>
<p>That being said... I have allowed the magic of a Blinkback Belt to be added to someone's Glove of Storing for their Starknife build. It doesn't matter either way mechanically but the flavor was cool.</p>You can add the magic of the Boots of Speed to whatever boots you are wearing now, at a 50% increase in price.
That being said... I have allowed the magic of a Blinkback Belt to be added to someone's Glove of Storing for their Starknife build. It doesn't matter either way mechanically but the flavor was cool.VoodistMonk2019-02-24T19:30:17ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotBARTOX THE ORChttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#32019-02-24T10:59:00Z2019-02-24T10:59:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Weables wrote:</div><blockquote> that's up to your GM. custom magic items are always with GM permission, but usually the incorrect slot is a 50% increase in cost by the rules. </blockquote><p>Thanks for the HelpWeables wrote:that's up to your GM. custom magic items are always with GM permission, but usually the incorrect slot is a 50% increase in cost by the rules.
Thanks for the HelpBARTOX THE ORC2019-02-24T10:59:00ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotWeableshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#22019-02-24T15:17:54Z2019-02-24T10:42:18Z<p>that's up to your GM. custom magic items are always with GM permission, but usually the incorrect slot is a 50% increase in cost by the rules.</p>that's up to your GM. custom magic items are always with GM permission, but usually the incorrect slot is a 50% increase in cost by the rules.Weables2019-02-24T10:42:18ZForums: Rules Questions: Would i be able to move Boots of speed to another item slotBARTOX THE ORChttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42hg6?Would-i-be-able-to-move-Boots-of-speed-to#12019-02-24T10:22:11Z2019-02-24T10:14:02Z<p>If i bought Boots of Speed. But i already had a pair of boots. Would i be able to buy it as bracers instead?</p>If i bought Boots of Speed. But i already had a pair of boots. Would i be able to buy it as bracers instead?BARTOX THE ORC2019-02-24T10:14:02Z