Poleiheira Adherent Wizard vs Exploiter Wizard ?


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It's been a long time since I've had a chance to delve into pathfinder play, but I've got a new kingmaker campaign coming up and I'm interested in playing a dedicated caster.

I am (or maybe was) between the Occultist Arcanist, the Witch, but now I'm also checking into my old standby, the wizard.

Looking through the nifty new archetypes, I check out the Poleiheira Adherent and... feel quite impressed. That said, I'm not sure if it matches the Exploiter Wizard with the quick study exploit or not. It does have the nifty ability of normal arcane bonds, allowing a single spontaneous spell from the book per day. Does that match up to quick study?

So, I'm looking for more experienced opinions on which one would choose and why, between the two.


I was writing a long review on the two but accidentally erased it. I will give you the short version.

Poleiheira Adherent is a walking library that excels at exploration and fast preparation of spells.

Exploiter Wizard is a mini Arcanist capable of getting the spell it needs for a given combat and gets useful abilities. Things like move action teleport, regaining familiar, a great form of mage armor, or one of the best (if not the best) counterspell in the game.


Temperans wrote:

I was writing a long review on the two but accidentally erased it. I will give you the short version.

Poleiheira Adherent is a walking library that excels at exploration and fast preparation of spells.

Exploiter Wizard is a mini Arcanist capable of getting the spell it needs for a given combat and gets useful abilities. Things like move action teleport, regaining familiar, a great form of mage armor, or one of the best (if not the best) counterspell in the game.

Good to know. Thanks for the input. It does seem the exploiter would be more powerful in the long run, but I almost feel the adherent wouldn't be very far behind because of getting twice as many spells at every new level. Still, the access to quick study, dimensional slide, a familiar and such can't be ignored.


Third Mind wrote:
Temperans wrote:

I was writing a long review on the two but accidentally erased it. I will give you the short version.

Poleiheira Adherent is a walking library that excels at exploration and fast preparation of spells.

Exploiter Wizard is a mini Arcanist capable of getting the spell it needs for a given combat and gets useful abilities. Things like move action teleport, regaining familiar, a great form of mage armor, or one of the best (if not the best) counterspell in the game.

Good to know. Thanks for the input. It does seem the exploiter would be more powerful in the long run, but I almost feel the adherent wouldn't be very far behind because of getting twice as many spells at every new level. Still, the access to quick study, dimensional slide, a familiar and such can't be ignored.

Learning extra spells at level up is a very weak ability and one of the worst racial favored class bonuses available. It just isn't supposed to be that hard to find spells via captured spellbooks, scrolls, and purchased shared spells to fill out your spellbook. You shouldn't need to rely on spells gained at level up.


Xenocrat wrote:
Third Mind wrote:
Temperans wrote:

I was writing a long review on the two but accidentally erased it. I will give you the short version.

Poleiheira Adherent is a walking library that excels at exploration and fast preparation of spells.

Exploiter Wizard is a mini Arcanist capable of getting the spell it needs for a given combat and gets useful abilities. Things like move action teleport, regaining familiar, a great form of mage armor, or one of the best (if not the best) counterspell in the game.

Good to know. Thanks for the input. It does seem the exploiter would be more powerful in the long run, but I almost feel the adherent wouldn't be very far behind because of getting twice as many spells at every new level. Still, the access to quick study, dimensional slide, a familiar and such can't be ignored.
Learning extra spells at level up is a very weak ability and one of the worst racial favored class bonuses available. It just isn't supposed to be that hard to find spells via captured spellbooks, scrolls, and purchased shared spells to fill out your spellbook. You shouldn't need to rely on spells gained at level up.

Normally I'd agree, but in the context of Kingmaker, at least based on past experiences years ago, it doesn't give many opportunities for found spellbook and scrolls. Add to that, that there are no other players using a wizard like class in my game, and leveling may be my primary way of obtaining new spells.

That said, your point is taken and does help lean me even more towards exploiter, if I go wizard. Thanks for your input.


Poleiheira Adherent is a terrible archetype. Spells known are relatively inexpensive, and nowhere near the value of the extra spell slots from your specialist school. If you're actually in a situation where you don't have the opportunity to learn spells at all and are still determined to play Wizard anyways (if this is the case, it sounds like an antagonistic or inexperienced GM, since you shouldn't deprive your PC's of standard items they need for their class to function), the best solution is to retrain. You can simply retrain your most recent class level back and forth to learn 2 new spells each time (3 if you get cheeky and also retrain the FCB with it). Exploiter is a much better option if you're looking for a universalist, with lots of great class features.

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