paizo.com Recent Posts in Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helppaizo.com Recent Posts in Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers help2019-02-20T00:08:17Z2019-02-20T00:08:17ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpMagda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#252019-02-20T21:09:34Z2019-02-20T21:09:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dave Justus wrote:</div><blockquote>this won't be a full time melee character without additional investment. </blockquote><p>Agreed!Dave Justus wrote:this won't be a full time melee character without additional investment.
Agreed!Magda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)2019-02-20T21:09:34ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpDave Justushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#242019-02-20T21:06:24Z2019-02-20T19:28:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Magda Luckbender wrote:</div><blockquote>You're a total badass even without combat feats. </blockquote><p>This is only sort of true. At 5th level you have 5 rounds of bane per day. With 13 Wis you have 4 rounds of growth. Since you have to activate bane a round before you use it with growth, at most you get 4 rounds a day with that damage.
<p>That isn't to say this is a perfectly good character. Your primary focus of the character can be summons or something and the growth/bane just gravy, but this won't be a full time melee character without additional investment.</p>Magda Luckbender wrote:You're a total badass even without combat feats.
This is only sort of true. At 5th level you have 5 rounds of bane per day. With 13 Wis you have 4 rounds of growth. Since you have to activate bane a round before you use it with growth, at most you get 4 rounds a day with that damage. That isn't to say this is a perfectly good character. Your primary focus of the character can be summons or something and the growth/bane just gravy, but this won't be a full time melee...Dave Justus2019-02-20T19:28:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpDerklordhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#232019-02-20T12:35:12Z2019-02-20T12:35:12Z<p>My favourite teamwork feat for Monster Tactician is <a href="http://www.aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Snapping%20Flank" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Snapping Flank</a>.</p>My favourite teamwork feat for Monster Tactician is Snapping Flank.Derklord2019-02-20T12:35:12ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpMagda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#222019-02-21T07:03:24Z2019-02-20T01:15:26Z<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>[Spoiler omitted]Magda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)2019-02-20T01:15:26ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpWagnerSikahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#212019-02-19T20:52:53Z2019-02-19T20:52:53Z<p>Thanks Magda! That archetype seems really interesting. What teamwork feats would you choose for the summoned monsters? Paired opportunist, outflank? You say no combat feats, did you use them on summoning feats then?</p>Thanks Magda! That archetype seems really interesting. What teamwork feats would you choose for the summoned monsters? Paired opportunist, outflank? You say no combat feats, did you use them on summoning feats then?WagnerSika2019-02-19T20:52:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpJiaYouhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#202019-02-19T02:07:32Z2019-02-19T02:07:32Z<p>Makes perfect sense. And I went a slightly different route but end up similarly, with the Accelerated Drinker trait (I thought to do the Reformation Inquisition for the social buffs and abilities) for a potion in a spring loaded wrist sheath (then realized that combo RAW doesn't work).</p>Makes perfect sense. And I went a slightly different route but end up similarly, with the Accelerated Drinker trait (I thought to do the Reformation Inquisition for the social buffs and abilities) for a potion in a spring loaded wrist sheath (then realized that combo RAW doesn't work).JiaYou2019-02-19T02:07:32ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpMagda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#192019-02-19T00:48:47Z2019-02-19T00:34:28Z<p>The 'something special' is just Bane.
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The extra attacks are just AoOs, which this build is apt at generating. </p>
<p>Lack of Combat Reflexes occasionally results in a lost AoO, or the average number of attacks per round would be higher.</p>The 'something special' is just Bane.
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The extra attacks are just AoOs, which this build is apt at generating.
Lack of Combat Reflexes occasionally results in a lost AoO, or the average number of attacks per round would be higher.Magda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)2019-02-19T00:34:28ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpJiaYouhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#182019-02-18T23:10:15Z2019-02-18T23:09:19Z<p>Now I'm interested in Magda's too...for me, 18 str with a two handed weapon and power attack. Holy Ice Weapon adds +level to your damage. Divine Favor would just add more but Magda's got Enlarge Person and then something special going on clearly.</p>Now I'm interested in Magda's too...for me, 18 str with a two handed weapon and power attack. Holy Ice Weapon adds +level to your damage. Divine Favor would just add more but Magda's got Enlarge Person and then something special going on clearly.JiaYou2019-02-18T23:09:19ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpWagnerSikahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#172019-02-18T19:30:01Z2019-02-18T19:30:01Z<p>Can you elaborate a little Magda and JiaYou how you generate those numbers? I have been thinking of making a ranged or reach inquisitor or war priest for our next campaign.</p>Can you elaborate a little Magda and JiaYou how you generate those numbers? I have been thinking of making a ranged or reach inquisitor or war priest for our next campaign.WagnerSika2019-02-18T19:30:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpMagda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#162019-02-18T10:49:12Z2019-02-18T10:49:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">JiaYou wrote:</div><blockquote> Warpriest or an Inquisitor of Shelyn wielding a Holy Ice Weapon polearm. Properly outfitted you should be doing (with Power Attack) 1d8/10 or 2d6+20ish at level 5. </blockquote><p>Exactly. My PFS Inquisitor-5 of Erastil (Plant[Growth] domain) typically stabs (with a longspear) at +10 to hit for 2d6+17 (no Power Attack) and averages more than 1.5 attacks per round. That's <i>without any combat feats</i>: the PC is a summoning specialist of the Monster Tactician archetype.
<p>@OP: Little need to do <i>that much</i> damage, although it's nowhere near the upper limit if one has feats to spend. I offer it only as a point of comparison.</p>JiaYou wrote:Warpriest or an Inquisitor of Shelyn wielding a Holy Ice Weapon polearm. Properly outfitted you should be doing (with Power Attack) 1d8/10 or 2d6+20ish at level 5.
Exactly. My PFS Inquisitor-5 of Erastil (Plant[Growth] domain) typically stabs (with a longspear) at +10 to hit for 2d6+17 (no Power Attack) and averages more than 1.5 attacks per round. That's without any combat feats: the PC is a summoning specialist of the Monster Tactician archetype. @OP: Little need to do that...Magda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)2019-02-18T10:49:12ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpJiaYouhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#152019-02-18T10:26:25Z2019-02-18T08:43:11Z<p>Warpriest or an Inquisitor of Shelyn wielding a Holy Ice Weapon polearm. Properly outfitted you should be doing (with Power Attack) 1d8/10 or 2d6+20ish at level 5.</p>Warpriest or an Inquisitor of Shelyn wielding a Holy Ice Weapon polearm. Properly outfitted you should be doing (with Power Attack) 1d8/10 or 2d6+20ish at level 5.JiaYou2019-02-18T08:43:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpRyze Kujahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#142019-02-18T08:36:42Z2019-02-18T08:34:43Z<p>Btw, if you want to do a 1h reach build with a Magus, I recommend using a Scorpion Whip (15ft) with Lunge (20ft) and Enlarge Person (25ft), and then definitely get Greater Trip and Combat Reflexes. </p>
<p>Your Scorpion Whip can threaten 20ft with Enlarge Person, and you can Trip in lieu of any one of your attacks. </p>
<p>Rimed Frostbite synergizes with this so well because you can Entangle/Fatigue from such a long range and Frostbite lasts for multiple charges.</p>Btw, if you want to do a 1h reach build with a Magus, I recommend using a Scorpion Whip (15ft) with Lunge (20ft) and Enlarge Person (25ft), and then definitely get Greater Trip and Combat Reflexes.
Your Scorpion Whip can threaten 20ft with Enlarge Person, and you can Trip in lieu of any one of your attacks.
Rimed Frostbite synergizes with this so well because you can Entangle/Fatigue from such a long range and Frostbite lasts for multiple charges.Ryze Kuja2019-02-18T08:34:43ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpMagda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#132019-02-18T06:20:01Z2019-02-18T06:12:50Z<p>Funny! That's now a completely different character from what OP Julius originally asked for. Also, imho, considerably downgraded. :-)</p>
<p>Primary Battlefield weapons (primary weapons): warbows, polearms, shield & anything, rifles</p>
<p>Sidearms (Secondary weapons): thrown weapons, most swords, buckler & anything, pistols</p>
<p>The Sidearm, aka secondary weapon, is what you use when you don't have your primary weapon. Pathfinder game mostly represents this difference pretty well.</p>Funny! That's now a completely different character from what OP Julius originally asked for. Also, imho, considerably downgraded. :-)
Primary Battlefield weapons (primary weapons): warbows, polearms, shield & anything, rifles
Sidearms (Secondary weapons): thrown weapons, most swords, buckler & anything, pistols
The Sidearm, aka secondary weapon, is what you use when you don't have your primary weapon. Pathfinder game mostly represents this difference pretty well.Magda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)2019-02-18T06:12:50ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpRyze Kujahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#122019-02-18T06:11:39Z2019-02-18T06:11:39Z<p>Half elfs who aren't multiclassing have no need for Multitalented, see if your GM will let you get Fey Thoughts (1RP) instead?</p>Half elfs who aren't multiclassing have no need for Multitalented, see if your GM will let you get Fey Thoughts (1RP) instead?Ryze Kuja2019-02-18T06:11:39ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpJuliusCromwellhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#112019-02-18T05:08:06Z2019-02-18T05:08:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ryze Kuja wrote:</div><blockquote> I'd go Kensai, Black Blade, or maybe just non-archetype Magus tbh. And if those don't interest you, just go with anything that doesn't modify your spellstrike or spell combat. </blockquote><p>ok Switched to using a Wakizashi and am Doing Black blade kensai half elf
<p>care to recommend me racial traits i should take?</p>Ryze Kuja wrote:I'd go Kensai, Black Blade, or maybe just non-archetype Magus tbh. And if those don't interest you, just go with anything that doesn't modify your spellstrike or spell combat.
ok Switched to using a Wakizashi and am Doing Black blade kensai half elf care to recommend me racial traits i should take?JuliusCromwell2019-02-18T05:08:06ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpPossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#102019-02-18T05:08:02Z2019-02-18T05:08:02Z<p>Isn't the problem with a polearm magus that you can't use spell combat? I mean, without 3 levels of phalanx fighter, as spell combat requires a light or one-handed weapon, and polearms are neither.</p>
<p>I guess 13 levels of mindblade would work instead.</p>Isn't the problem with a polearm magus that you can't use spell combat? I mean, without 3 levels of phalanx fighter, as spell combat requires a light or one-handed weapon, and polearms are neither.
I guess 13 levels of mindblade would work instead.PossibleCabbage2019-02-18T05:08:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpRyze Kujahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#92019-02-18T04:34:29Z2019-02-18T04:34:14Z<p>I'd go Kensai, Black Blade, or maybe just non-archetype Magus tbh. And if those don't interest you, just go with anything that doesn't modify your spellstrike or spell combat.</p>I'd go Kensai, Black Blade, or maybe just non-archetype Magus tbh. And if those don't interest you, just go with anything that doesn't modify your spellstrike or spell combat.Ryze Kuja2019-02-18T04:34:14ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpJuliusCromwellhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#82019-02-18T04:10:10Z2019-02-18T04:10:10Z<p>@ Ryze Kuja}
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What Archetype for Magus?</p>@ Ryze Kuja}
What Archetype for Magus?JuliusCromwell2019-02-18T04:10:10ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpJuliusCromwellhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#72019-02-18T02:43:54Z2019-02-18T02:43:54Z<p>well I'm thinking of combing this Idea and and Dragon Disciple Idea</p>well I'm thinking of combing this Idea and and Dragon Disciple IdeaJuliusCromwell2019-02-18T02:43:54ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpRyze Kujahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#62019-02-18T02:21:04Z2019-02-18T02:21:04Z<p>Magus would be a natural choice. Rimed Frostbite is great. Wield a Cruel Fauchard and pick up Power Attack and Cornugon Smash for Shaken/Sicken combo and you'd be a debuffing monster. Entangle/Fatigue/Shaken/Sicken all off one hit. Grab Greater Trip for additional shenanigans.</p>Magus would be a natural choice. Rimed Frostbite is great. Wield a Cruel Fauchard and pick up Power Attack and Cornugon Smash for Shaken/Sicken combo and you'd be a debuffing monster. Entangle/Fatigue/Shaken/Sicken all off one hit. Grab Greater Trip for additional shenanigans.Ryze Kuja2019-02-18T02:21:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpPossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#52019-02-18T01:59:53Z2019-02-18T01:59:53Z<p>Oracles have a "Winter Mystery" option that seems decent. It won't give you martial weapon proficiency like the popular warrior oracle mysteries (battle and metal), but this is not insurmountable.</p>Oracles have a "Winter Mystery" option that seems decent. It won't give you martial weapon proficiency like the popular warrior oracle mysteries (battle and metal), but this is not insurmountable.PossibleCabbage2019-02-18T01:59:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpMagda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#42019-02-18T01:50:06Z2019-02-18T01:50:06Z<p>Any spellcaster works well. 2/3 BaB builds work best. Mine was a Cleric/Witch Mystic Theurge, which worked pretty well despite the atrocious BaB. Oracle works great!</p>Any spellcaster works well. 2/3 BaB builds work best. Mine was a Cleric/Witch Mystic Theurge, which worked pretty well despite the atrocious BaB. Oracle works great!Magda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)2019-02-18T01:50:06ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpJuliusCromwellhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#32019-02-18T01:44:59Z2019-02-18T01:44:59Z<p>@ Magda Luckbender I see</p>
<p>what Classes would you recommend for this?</p>@ Magda Luckbender I see
what Classes would you recommend for this?JuliusCromwell2019-02-18T01:44:59ZRe: Forums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpMagda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#22019-02-18T01:48:42Z2019-02-18T01:41:06Z<p>I've played a polearm-wielding frost-magic specialist. It works great. I have a few suggestions:</p>
<p>Consider replacing the completely-not-needed Polearm Expertise feat with the <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/rime-spell-metamagic/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rime Spell</a> feat. Combining Rime Spell with, say, <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/i/ice-slick/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ice Slick</a>, gives you some very potent frost-based crowd control. Ice Slick also gives you additional +4 AoOs, because foes will try to stand up from prone. Note that Rime Spell gives no save if foes takes any damage!!!!!!</p>
<p>Many players are concerned about the polearm 'can't-attack-adjacent' issue. This issue <i>seems</i> like it should be important, but in my experience it hinders fewer than 1% of attacks. This issue gets attention drastically out of proportion to its impact. It's totally not worth spending a feat to mitigate. In my opinion it's not even worth the (trivial) cost and (non-trivial) <i>extra-weight</i> of Armor Spikes. This after years of experience playing reach builds in Pathfinder. </p>
<p>Consider the trade off between making a full attack and using <a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qlm7?Reach-Weapons#3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">reach tactics</a>. When fighting a foe with a strong full attack (e.g. ghouls, gargoyles, trolls, giants, etc) you can generally <i>avoid the foe's full attack</i> by using reach tactics and staying out of full attack range. This can drastically reduce incoming damage against these foes. Anytime you can do this is a win for your team. The main failure-point for this approach is your <i>allies</i>, who will tend to blunder into the full attacks you avoid. </p>
<p>As a caster fighting with a reach weapon, consider reserving your Standard Action for spell casting and relying on your AoOs for inflicting damage. When a Cleric uses this approach the build is called a <a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p68o?New-Class-Guide-Reach-Cleric" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">'reach cleric'</a>. The approach works well for other casters, too. If you go this approach consider dropping some of your higher-level combat feats for spell casting feats. By about 7th level your spells will become more valuable than your melee attacks. Take some spell feats instead.</p>I've played a polearm-wielding frost-magic specialist. It works great. I have a few suggestions:
Consider replacing the completely-not-needed Polearm Expertise feat with the Rime Spell feat. Combining Rime Spell with, say, Ice Slick, gives you some very potent frost-based crowd control. Ice Slick also gives you additional +4 AoOs, because foes will try to stand up from prone. Note that Rime Spell gives no save if foes takes any damage!!!!!!
Many players are concerned about the polearm...Magda Luckbender (alias of Magda Luckbringer)2019-02-18T01:41:06ZForums: Advice: Pole-arm Expert with Ice base powers helpJuliusCromwellhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42h6g?Polearm-Expert-with-Ice-base-powers-help#12019-02-20T00:08:17Z2019-02-17T23:53:42Z<p>I am looking to Create a pole-arm user who has Ice Based powers
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I was looking going Fighter (Advance weapon / Armor Training ) and going EIther VMC WIzard for an Ice power or VMC Oracle for the wave Revelation </p>
<p>For Feats I have the followiing
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LV1) Weapon Focus /Power Attack/ Combat Reflexes
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LV2) Polearm Expertise - Third party feat - Allows for fighting close foes with polearm
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LV3) VMC ???
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LV4) Weapon Specialization
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LV(5) Cut from the Air
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LV(6) Lunge
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LV(7) VMC ???
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LV(8) Improved Critical
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LV(9) Critical Focus
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LV(10) Smash from the Air </p>
<p>I am open to Ideas but i do want to Stick to the idea of a Pole-arm user that uses Ice Base power</p>
<p>This is also a mythic and i will being going champion
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have not pick my abilites but i have chosen my
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first Mythic Feat (Mythic - Critical focus</p>I am looking to Create a pole-arm user who has Ice Based powers
I was looking going Fighter (Advance weapon / Armor Training ) and going EIther VMC WIzard for an Ice power or VMC Oracle for the wave Revelation
For Feats I have the followiing
LV1) Weapon Focus /Power Attack/ Combat Reflexes
LV2) Polearm Expertise - Third party feat - Allows for fighting close foes with polearm
LV3) VMC ???
LV4) Weapon Specialization
LV(5) Cut from the Air
LV(6) Lunge
LV(7) VMC ???
LV(8) Improved Critical...JuliusCromwell2019-02-17T23:53:42Z