Getting a save when a party member casts Enlarge Person on me

[huggin]

I am in a group where a party member likes to cast Mass Enlarge Person on the group at the time
As An archer it hurts me as I lose some dex and take a minus to hit so can I choose to get a save

[David knott 242]

The save notation for Enlarge Person (unchanged for the "Mass" version) is "Foritude negates", with no "harmless" indication. So by default, everyone affected by the spell must either roll a Fortitude save or consciously decline the save.

However, since the caster can specify his targets individually, it would be better if he just never targets you in the first place.

[KahnyaGnorc]

The person casting Mass Enlarge Person doesn't cast it on the whole group or an entire area, but on individual humanoids (i.e. On Character A, B, and D, with Characters C and E unaffected, even if they could be affected).

So, only need to save if the caster INSISTS on including your character in the effect.

[Nyerkh]

Indeed.
He only enlarges you because he consciously chooses to do so.
Ask him not to. It's almost strictly a serious debuff for you.

If the mage persists despite you, then once the next fight's over maybe your archer should get angry and punch him in the nose. Is he trying to get you killed ? Is he working for the enemy ? What is his deal ?

[doomman47]

Either just ask him not to or make your save however if allowed to reallocate things making the character a str archer with 2 levels in sanguine angel means enlarge person is just as much a buff for you as it is for the melee guys.

[huggin]

Nyerkh wrote:

Indeed.

He only enlarges you because he consciously chooses to do so.
Ask him not to. It's almost strictly a serious debuff for you.

If the mage persists despite you, then once the next fight's over maybe your archer should get angry and punch him in the nose. Is he trying to get you killed ? Is he working for the enemy ? What is his deal ?

His deal is that he issues with the amount of damage rangers can do against their favorite enemy and that I have a human ranger that picked human as my favorite enemy.

Pretty much every time I unload on a human and all my arrows hit he whines about rangers are overpowered.

[doomman47]

And what character class is he playing?

[Rysky]

huggin wrote:

Pretty much every time I unload on a human and all my arrows hit he whines about rangers are overpowered.

So he's intentionally debuffing you? Bring this up to the GM, no amount of counters or saves will fix the issues here.

[huggin]

doomman47 wrote:

And what character class is he playing?

Druid, he is 8th level and I am 1 maybe 2 fights away from 8th. He has been using a staff for the enlarge spell and been making use magic device rolls

Rysky wrote:

huggin wrote:

Pretty much every time I unload on a human and all my arrows hit he whines about rangers are overpowered.

So he's intentionally debuffing you? Bring this up to the GM, no amount of counters or saves will fix the issues here.

Already sent DM series of texts over weekend and I will be seeing a day before next game session. This group is a bit dysfunction

[Nyerkh]

Yeah ... that's another problem entirely.
I was mostly jokingly pointing out that your character might have issues with it too, but this is different.

Well, until then, try for the save.
Enlarge is indeed not a (harmless) spell, likely because it has a very, very niche use in debuffing non-melee characters - as you've seen.
You might even have a decent chance of success, it being Fortitude.

Also, full-caster complaining about ranger being OP. Heh.

By the way, how exactly does a Druid get Mass Enlarge ?
There are a bunch of ways to get basic lv1 Enlarge person, but the Mass version ?

Edit : nevermind, missed the answer. UMD-ing a staff.
Wow, that is a lot of effort just to annoy a fellow player.

[Derklord]

I wonder... is the Druid human as well?

Nyerkh wrote:

Enlarge is indeed not a (harmless) spell, likely because it has a very, very niche use in debuffing non-melee characters - as you've seen./QUOTE]More likely, you might use it to prevent an enemy from following you through narrow passages and stuff like that.

[doomman47]

Nyerkh wrote:

Also, full-caster complaining about ranger being OP. Heh.

3rd best full caster at that.

[Matt Filla]

If the druid is also human, maybe you should show him how much damage you can do against a favored enemy...

[baggageboy]

Classic case of OOC problems being addressed with IC tools. This isn't a game mechanics problem, it's a player problem.

[ryric]

If you want to dump 4000 gp into messing with your "friend," you could always get a ring of counterspells and just flat our counter the entire casting of mass enlarge person. You'd have to find some way to get the ring recharged after each use.

I'd say your group has deeper issues, though, when PCs are trying to nerf each other for perceived power differences.

[Cevah]

Matt Filla wrote:

If the druid is also human, maybe you should show him how much damage you can do against a favored enemy...

Don't forget, he isn't expecting an ally to shoot him so you get to hit him without dex to AC.

/cevah

[Java Man]

Reminds me of my policy while GMing: PvP is all the same. So if you pick the barbarian's pocket, or cast charm on him he is allowed to axe you. Or everyone can be reasonable and get back to the game we all signed up for.