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Dermal Plating: (CRB 209-210)
You line your skin with hardened composite plates that deflect physical attacks. You gain an amount of damage reduction that depends on the model of your dermal plating. If you have natural damage reduction equal to or greater than your dermal plating, adding dermal plating increases the value of your natural DR
by 1. If you have natural DR of a value less than your dermal plating, the value of DR from your dermal plating increases by 1.
Enhanced Resistance: (CRB 157)
Choose either kinetic damage or one of acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic. If you choose kinetic damage, you gain damage reduction equal to your base attack bonus. If you choose acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic, you gain energy resistance against that type of energy equal to your base attack bonus.
Does the benefit of Enhanced Resistance (kinetic) cause Dermal plating to only supply a +1 bonus?
My read is that it does not and that Dermal Plating would add it's bonus to Enhanced Resistance as this feat does not give you natural DR.
Thoughts?
Is Enhanced Resistance's DR "natural" in other words ?
Not sure, but I'd say yes.
I doubt natural is defined anywhere, but the wording is not "innate", so ... I'd allow it, at least.
I'm not sure what else grants a PC "natural" DR. I currently have a vesk soldier with both Dermal Plating and Enhanced Resistance, so I guess I would be interested in the answer.
Is Enhanced Resistance's DR "natural" in other words ?
Not sure, but I'd say yes.
I doubt natural is defined anywhere, but the wording is not "innate", so ... I'd allow it, at least.
The question would then be. Does a Vesk have innate damage reduction?
You could complicate it by saying it as follows. Does Enhanced Resistance confer natural DR to a creature who previously did not possess it?
I would say that it does not.
I'm not sure what else grants a PC "natural" DR. I currently have a vesk soldier with both Dermal Plating and Enhanced Resistance, so I guess I would be interested in the answer.
Hehe.. I have a melee vesk soldier and he's been taking quite a bit of punishment lately. I picked up Enhanced Resistance around level 4, but needs a little something extra to give him a little more durability. Now that he's level 12 I am considering Dermal Plating IV to make it DR 16 for kinetic damage. It's a good bit of creds, and I am a bit strapped of credits. 'There's not a lot of money in the revenge business.'
they stack, buy the mk 1 and increase your dr by one
they stack, buy the mk 1 and increase your dr by one
If I buy the Mk IV would it increase it by 4?
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they stack, buy the mk 1 and increase your dr by oneIf I buy the Mk IV would it increase it by 4?
No. Whatever mark Dermal Plating you have, it increases your natural DR by 1. There's no reason to go over Mk. 1 because it only gives you +1 DR regardless.
No. Whatever mark Dermal Plating you have, it increases your natural DR by 1. There's no reason to go over Mk. 1 because it only gives you +1 DR regardless.they stack, buy the mk 1 and increase your dr by oneIf I buy the Mk IV would it increase it by 4?
So you are saying that Enhanced Resistance does in fact give natural DR to a creature who previously does not have it?
So you are saying that Enhanced Resistance does in fact give natural DR to a creature who previously does not have it?No. Whatever mark Dermal Plating you have, it increases your natural DR by 1. There's no reason to go over Mk. 1 because it only gives you +1 DR regardless.they stack, buy the mk 1 and increase your dr by oneIf I buy the Mk IV would it increase it by 4?
That is how I am currently playing it with my vesk soldier. I did mark the thread for FAQ because I'd like to know for sure.
I can see the argument for it. The text of "Enhanced Resistance" says that the DR is from training, not any external factors. If it's not external, then "natural" is a reasonable assumption, I think.
I would consider natural armor as something that is innate to the race or species. Not something acquired through feats, class abilities, equipment, or gear (unless those things specifically state so).
What are your thoughts?
I would consider natural armor as something that is innate to the race or species. Not something acquired through feats, class abilities, equipment, or gear (unless those things specifically state so).
What are your thoughts?
Well, the alternative is that Dermal Plating has no effect on someone who has Enhanced Resistance.
Damage Reduction
So obviously I would prefer for Enhanced Resistance to count as "natural" because I wasted 3,025 credits (plus 302 credits for adaptive biochains) on something that does nothing for me.
Yea.. That's why I was asking. Ahh well, I was hoping for a lil extra DR.
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I feel as though enhanced resistance feels natural. Not in the sense that certain races start with it, but that someone can, through training, have a naturally resistant body. Thus it's a natural source. You aren't installing iron plates into your skin, as with Dermal Plating.
And I know in the start of Feats it mentions that pcs can generate whatever reason they want for their feats (maybe it's training, or a rare gem from a previous adventure giving them +1 to beat SR) but yeah.
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I think the wording wasn't labored over as much as the people in this thread have done.
I believe they totally intended for enhanced resistance to stack with dermal plating. Which would increase your DR by one for Enhanced Resistance. Since one is unlikely to be able to afford better than mk 1 dermal plating before the bonus from enhanced resistance would outshine it.
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I think Natural means non-manufactured in this sense, so you couldn't stack this with DR gained from another augmentation or piece of gear.
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In all of the Conventions, Gamedays and Play-by-posts I've been in the common interpretation I've encountered has been that the two stack.
I agree with the others that "natural" doesn't necessitate "innate". There is currently no race that has DR, and certainly no Core Race that does, so that language would be meaningless if that's what the Developers meant.