What type of builds make the best use out of a 1 level dip in oracle of lore for Sidestep Secret?


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Silver Crusade

I'm interested in building a PFS legal character that takes a single level dip into oracle of lore for the sidestep revelation.

What types of build out this to the best use? I'd rather avoid oradin as I already have a level 10 paladin that I'm still playing in PFS. When I get home later I can C&P her stat block so you guys can let me know if you think dipping for lore-acle at level 11 might be best for her

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I was inclined to say Paladin myself, actually. Hm...

You don't really want a spellcaster class. The AC/Reflex save boost is nice, but it probably isn't worth a level of spells.

You do want a Charisma-based class, since anything less than 18 charisma is probably not worth dipping for.

So we're looking at Charisma-based non-casters, so what do we have? Paladins, obviously, but I might say ninjas as well, or a combat-focused bard.


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I believe that your best choice, following your single level in Oracle, is more levels in Oracle.


I'm not PFS-savy so I don't know what all is PFS legal, but I'd suggest picking up Desna's Shooting Star (from the Divine Fighting Technique feat) and then going with a Medium (CHA-based spellcasting!) with a focus on the Champion spirit for the remainder of the levels.


Don't forget the bloodrager. A nagaji or suli bloodrager who dumps dex for cha should be workable and should be good with spells like thunderstomp.

Or, you know, you could continue with lore oracle.


Oracle 1/Paladin- really good

Oracle 1/Bard- Noble Scion - war + Divine fighting Technique shooting star. CHA for AC, Reflex, initative, attack, and damage...


If it werent for the PFS legal requirement then Divine fighting technique, CG and starknife would be the obvious choice. But last i checked that wasnt legal, might have changed though.

For PFS i think the choices other people have mentioned pretty much cover it. Generally dipping too many times wont benefit you that much, and you'd be a bit "cheesy" for doing it :)

Sidestep Secret sounds fantastic, but realistically it isnt, it cant replace CMD, and if you dump dex you've taken a hit to both CMD and your ranged touch attacks. If you're not dumping dex then you wont be looking at as much of a huge boost to AC anyway. It's certainly not a trap, but it's hardly something to base a build around.


PFS has a stigma about multiclassing? wat?


If you are dipping for a non-spell caster, I like a 1 level dip into ravener hunter/sanctified slayer (Lunar - prophetic armor) over oracle.

Same BAB, +2 Fort, same revelation, studied target, a few more inquisitor stuff, 2 more skills for 2+ less 1st level spells. I think it's a better fit for a martial character.

Silver Crusade

nicholas storm wrote:

If you are dipping for a non-spell caster, I like a 1 level dip into ravener hunter/sanctified slayer (Lunar - prophetic armor) over oracle.

Same BAB, +2 Fort, same revelation, studied target, a few more inquisitor stuff, 2 more skills for 2+ less 1st level spells. I think it's a better fit for a martial character.

That's great, but the question was "what is a 1 level dip in lore oracle good for", not "what single level dip do you think is best".

Also, I don't mind doing another paladin once the one I have is at level 12.

I would make a straight oracle, but I'm not sure what lore oracles are good at. I already have an illusion focused gnome heavens oracle and a nagaji battle oracle.

Silver Crusade

Also, Divine Fighting Technique is PFS legal, other than Desna's Shooting Star.

And with how powerful you could make a character like that, I see why.


The lore oracle bonus spells are pretty forgettable - so an archetype which loses them has little cost. Their better revelations deal with knowledge checks until level 11. A psychic searcher could build on a revelation or two to be a skillmonkey, a spirit guide can grab extra spells known from shaman spirits as well (doing buffing, mobility or even blasting), or an ancient lorekeeper can replace the bonus spells with better ones.


I think you just look at classes that get some use out of CHA:

Bard
Eldritch Scion Magus
Medium
Mesmerist
Bloodrager
Paladin
Sorcerer
Cleric
Shaman

It's really impossible to answer without some clue of what you are looking for.

I prefer a dip into scaled fist monk in most cases. I was looking at ravener hunter/sanctified slayer inquisitor dip on a gnome bard. I did a lore oracle "dip" on a mystic theurge when SLA early entry was allowed. Otherwise, my answer for your question is none, because I think there are better dip options.


bard sorc

not blood rager tho cuz the archetype you would want to combo bloodrager and lame cursed oracle is baned in pfs for some reason

Silver Crusade

Lady-J wrote:

bard sorc

not blood rager tho cuz the archetype you would want to combo bloodrager and lame cursed oracle is baned in pfs for some reason

It's banned because if it was PFS legal it would be the only choice worth taking.


It combines well with Anger ID rager. You don't care about the penalty to DEX and love the extra STR and Free Power Attack and 2 Skill Focuses. But I'd dip one level of that into Oracle.

Or go straight oracle with the new lay on hands archetype.


I dont know how good it would be, but swashbuckler is a martial class that gets quite a bit of use from charisma. Also, would the feat martial versatility work with desna's shooting star? because if so that would be really good for a swashbuckler, as you could use kukri's for a higher critical range.

Dark Archive

Oracle 1 / Shaman X

Steals spells off the divine and wizard list. I'm watching it in action at my table and its pretty awesome. They decided to go as a witch doctor, for two channel pools and will get channel related feats and buffs. The two hexes taken are the lore arcane enlightenment hex and an extra hex feat for the witch sleep hex. Could use my build instead which doesn't take the witch doctor archetype and focus more on casting and less on channeling. See build below:

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u64m?1-Oracle-X-Shaman-Build-Advice#13


It would be great for a stat hungry medium or mesmerist.


Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Lady-J wrote:

bard sorc

not blood rager tho cuz the archetype you would want to combo bloodrager and lame cursed oracle is baned in pfs for some reason

It's banned because if it was PFS legal it would be the only choice worth taking.

it really says something when archetype gets baned just cuz its the only good archetype for a class why dont they just buff the other archetypes to not be terible.


A bloodrager works just fine without an archetype. Really.


avr wrote:
A bloodrager works just fine without an archetype. Really.

ehh still preferable to get rid of terible bloodline powers if possible and litterally every bloodline has at least 2 that would be better off being turned into literally anything else


I have a PFS character, nagaji Psychic Searcher oracle 2 of lore for sidestep and cha for all knowledges with extra revelation feat and a nice inspiration pool.

Then he went medium 4 of the marshal spirit, take the spirit focus feat for +3 to all cha stuff and the ability to add 1d6+3 to a failed roll to you or an ally and have it succeed.

then id rager anger bloodrager 4, this helps the damage keep up in the mid levels and fort saves. Could go 1 level and extra rage feat instead.

I also have the trait Irrepressible for using cha for some will saves

he has CHA to init, reflex, some will saves, all knowledge skills, and the normal cha skills. With his high str and eventually rage his damage has been good.

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