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You have to over to that grown-up at the table. No, not that table. No, not that one either. That one! By the big yellow thing! Go OVER THERE! PUT THAT DOWN!


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captain yesterday wrote:


Now explain it as if I have no experience with SFS or PFS, and I'm five. :-)

Okay.

First, follow this link.

https://paizo.com/products/btpya1aa?Starfinder-Skitter-Shot

It is a link on the internet. Find a grown-up if you need help.

Purchase the PDF for $5 using an adult's credit card.

Do you see where it says:
Starfinder Society: This module is sanctioned for play in the Starfinder Society Roleplaying Guild.
Download the rules and Chronicle sheet (872kb zip/PDF)

Click on the word "Download" and then print off the rules and enough chronicle sheets for yourself and as many players as you expect to have (between 3 and 7).

Read the adventure and make sure it is in a handily available format (either in electronic format on a laptop or your big brother's tablet, or printed off using all of Dad's color printer toner).

Gather your friends and play! Don't forget to have fun and help everyone. That's how skittermanders do! At this point you and all your friends should get Paizo Organized Play numbers. A grown-up can probably help you do this.

At the end of the adventure fill out and sign a chronicle sheet for each player and yourself, if you game mastered. Someone should be around who can report your adventure to Paizo.

You see all those little boxes on the chronicle sheet? Each one of those is an opportunity for adventure! Yay! Every time you play or GM a scenario or Adventure Path for Starfinder Society that you haven't gotten credit on the sheet for yet, your host or GM can mark off one or more boxes on the Skitter Shot chronicle sheet.

Once you have marked off all 24 boxes, you can use that boon to play a skittermander! Hooray!

BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE! If you both play and GM Skitter Shot, you can have a second Skitter Shot chronicle sheet. Repeat the above process until all the boxes are filled again. That's a lot of work! Whew!

Once all the boxes are filled out a SECOND time, you have a big choice to make! You can either play a SECOND skittermander (OMIGOSH) or you can apply the credit to your FIRST skittermander and give him, her, zim, zer, or them a +2 to one Attribute (those are the first six scores you determine when you make a character) of 14 or less. It lets you play a SUPER SKITTERMANDER (OMIGOSHOMIGOSH)!

Once you have two skittermanders, or one super skittermander, you are now ready to go out and help people better than anyone has ever helped before!


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That's perfect, thank you!

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"And then you can play with me!" Aba claps! "It's important to play with your friends!"


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I'd still like an iconic Skittermander for Starfinder. Whether they're a Witchwarper, Vanguard, or Biohacker, that's for the suits in Washington to figure out.


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I’m hoping we’ll get an Akitonian human as one of the new iconic characters.

Every time there is an overview of Akiton, one thing that is mentioned about it is that one of the native species there are humans and that these humans have red skin. But do we ever see these red-skinned Akitonian humans in any artwork? No!

Also technically, there aren’t any Korasha lashunta iconics either.


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Ventnor wrote:

I’m hoping we’ll get an Akitonian human as one of the new iconic characters.

Every time there is an overview of Akiton, one thing that is mentioned about it is that one of the native species there are humans and that these humans have red skin. But do we ever see these red-skinned Akitonian humans in any artwork? No!

Also technically, there aren’t any Korasha lashunta iconics either.

There has been, to my knowledge, precisely one depiction of an Akitonian human in artwork in Pact Worlds.

Given that by all indication, hylki, as they're called, make up the majority of the human population in the Pact Worlds system, I think that this is an injustice.

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I'd think because of the whole "cantina feel", it makes much more sense for iconics in Starfinder not have to be from core rulebook.


CorvusMask wrote:
I'd think because of the whole "cantina feel", it makes much more sense for iconics in Starfinder not have to be from core rulebook.

I agree.

Furthermore, Paizo have been introducing a LOT of playable aliens, so... they could select 3 fan-favorites and make them "core aliens", not that the selected race should matter in selecting your class though ;)


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CorvusMask wrote:
I'd think because of the whole "cantina feel", it makes much more sense for iconics in Starfinder not have to be from core rulebook.

Here's the problem with this logic: by definition, whatever species they pick to use as one of their core races, will *not* be an obscure random element of the "cantina scene". This is because whatever species they choose as core species, will be the ones that the majority of players will play, and which will have a strong demand for further background information.


Metaphysician wrote:
This is because whatever species they choose as core species, will be the ones that the majority of players will play, and which will have a strong demand for further background information.

Not really.


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Metaphysician wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
I'd think because of the whole "cantina feel", it makes much more sense for iconics in Starfinder not have to be from core rulebook.
Here's the problem with this logic: by definition, whatever species they pick to use as one of their core races, will *not* be an obscure random element of the "cantina scene". This is because whatever species they choose as core species, will be the ones that the majority of players will play, and which will have a strong demand for further background information.

Another reason for a Ryphorian and/or Dragonkin.

Triaxus is likely the most largest population center in the Pact Worlds (for the standard races. The gas giants are larger, but except for tiny enclaves only Baraathu can live there and Aballon is rather hostile to non machines except in the megacities).
Triaxus is earth like so nearly everyone can live there and unlike Castrovel or Verces there are no special circumstances limiting the available space. So its the planet that looks the most like Earth (and Golarion) and should have a population in the billions.

But it is also a planet we have nearly no information about as it has not been featured in an AP yet.

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Also I feel like its odd statements that races that get iconics are automatically "core" races since "core" race just means the race is in core rulebook :P


CorvusMask wrote:
Also I feel like its odd statements that races that get iconics are automatically "core" races since "core" race just means the race is in core rulebook :P

Technically you are right. But the lable "core" often decides which races GMs consider as always available and which are optional content.

That is of course silly as every GM can decide for himself what is or is not allowed, no matter the book, but in practice most GMs automatically allow everything called core.

It would also be rather strange if in SFS you could only play the race of an iconic with a boon.

On the other hand, the new classes and thus iconics wouldn't be core either. Still, the races if the iconics would be more visible and thus accepted than the ones only found in the middle of an Alien Archive book.


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Ixal wrote:
Metaphysician wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
I'd think because of the whole "cantina feel", it makes much more sense for iconics in Starfinder not have to be from core rulebook.
Here's the problem with this logic: by definition, whatever species they pick to use as one of their core races, will *not* be an obscure random element of the "cantina scene". This is because whatever species they choose as core species, will be the ones that the majority of players will play, and which will have a strong demand for further background information.

Another reason for a Ryphorian and/or Dragonkin.

Triaxus is likely the most largest population center in the Pact Worlds (for the standard races. The gas giants are larger, but except for tiny enclaves only Baraathu can live there and Aballon is rather hostile to non machines except in the megacities).
Triaxus is earth like so nearly everyone can live there and unlike Castrovel or Verces there are no special circumstances limiting the available space. So its the planet that looks the most like Earth (and Golarion) and should have a population in the billions.

But it is also a planet we have nearly no information about as it has not been featured in an AP yet.

I would argue that Verces and the Verthani represent a larger population then Triaxus and the ryphoran.


captain yesterday wrote:
I would argue that Verces and the Verthani represent a larger population then Triaxus and the ryphoran.

It would be the obvious contender. But it has the disadvantage of being tidally locked, so the habitable area is only about 1/3 compared to a similar sized rotating planet.

Triaxus has its weird seasons, but the natives seem to have adapted to that quite well biologically, so it doesn't really restrict them from settling everywhere.

With the current conditions Triaxus has at least a much higher potential population than Verces or Castrovel. But if the actual population matches that we don't know. Sadly the Pact Worlds book did not tell us that much about the individual worlds.


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There’s also the argument that Ryphorians are also a lot more recognisable, and, I think, more interesting (at least on the surface), what with their eternal conflict with the dragon kingdoms, synergy with the bondable (and mountable), almost Chewbacca-like Dragonkin race, their homeworld’s centuries long seasons, and principal role in the formation of the renowned Skyfire Legion faction. Apart from that, their planet was specifically featured in a major Pathfinder Adventure Path (Reign of Winter: The Frozen Stars), and were among the four major alien races introduced in the player’s companion book People of the Stars (all the others - Androids, Kasathas, and Lashuntas - would become core Starfinder races). Lastly, we’ve already got a built-in iconic with Raia’s boyfriend Danese. While Verthani may be more numerous in-universe, Ryphorians are clearly more important to the brand overall, and I think their strong connection to dragons also makes them more attractive to roleplaying communities in general. I can’t think of a more deserving race to take #8.


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Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
Metaphysician wrote:
This is because whatever species they choose as core species, will be the ones that the majority of players will play, and which will have a strong demand for further background information.
Not really.

So, do you actually have any logic you are interested in explaining? Or is your reply little more than "Nu-huh"?

Anyway, I think that the Verthani well outnumber the Ryphorians. I don't have solid evidence, but I get a very strong impression that they are *much* less industrialized and developed than Verces. Yes, all of the planet is "habitable", but all of the planet also has radical environmental changes every couple decades, whereas Verces has one perpetual spring in a fixed location. Much easier to build out the latter, especially since they are also much more peaceful.


Ixal wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
I would argue that Verces and the Verthani represent a larger population then Triaxus and the ryphoran.

It would be the obvious contender. But it has the disadvantage of being tidally locked, so the habitable area is only about 1/3 compared to a similar sized rotating planet.

Triaxus has its weird seasons, but the natives seem to have adapted to that quite well biologically, so it doesn't really restrict them from settling everywhere.

With the current conditions Triaxus has at least a much higher potential population than Verces or Castrovel. But if the actual population matches that we don't know. Sadly the Pact Worlds book did not tell us that much about the individual worlds.

At the population density of New York city the entire human population of earth could fit within the borders of Texas; standing shoulder to shoulder, we could all fit within the boundaries of the city of Los Angeles.

Verthani have less room to spread out but you can fit a lot of people into not a lot of space, and the Ring of Nations is specifically called out as one of the most densely populated locations in the system.

And looking at a map of Verces, the Ring would still be a few hundred to couple thousand miles wide, wrapped around the planet that makes for quiet a bit of room. Could be the map I'm looking at isn't to scale, who knows.

Anyway, I'd personally imagine either Verthani or Lashunta as being the most populous humanoid races, though I don't imagine that Ryphorians are that far behind. All three probably dwarf the populations of kasatha, vesk, & golarion-descendant humans in the system.

But I don't think that Starfinder's core races were chosen based on the demographics of the setting so much as they were chosen for what sci-fi fantasy they fulfill and fit into. Because certainly akitonian humans/hylki far out-populate golarion-descendents yet, as I pointed out earlier in this thread, there's only been one depiction of an akitonian human in Starfinder art that I'm aware of.


Metaphysician wrote:
Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
Metaphysician wrote:
This is because whatever species they choose as core species, will be the ones that the majority of players will play, and which will have a strong demand for further background information.
Not really.
So, do you actually have any logic you are interested in explaining? Or is your reply little more than "Nu-huh"?

Aasimar and Teiflings have always been highly popular to play, and they’ve never been Core, for example.


FormerFiend wrote:


At the population density of New York city the entire human population of earth could fit within the borders of Texas; standing shoulder to shoulder, we could all fit within the boundaries of the city of Los Angeles.

Verthani have less room to spread out but you can fit a lot of people into not a lot of space, and the Ring of Nations is specifically called out as one of the most densely populated locations in the system.

And looking at a map of Verces, the Ring would still be a few hundred to couple thousand miles wide, wrapped around the planet that makes for quiet a bit of room. Could be the map I'm looking at isn't to scale, who knows.

Anyway, I'd personally imagine either Verthani or Lashunta as being the most populous humanoid races, though I don't imagine that Ryphorians are that far behind. All three probably dwarf the populations of kasatha, vesk, & golarion-descendant humans in the system.

But I don't think that Starfinder's core races were chosen based on the demographics of the setting so much as they were chosen for what sci-fi fantasy they fulfill and fit into. Because certainly akitonian humans/hylki far out-populate golarion-descendents yet, as I pointed out earlier in this thread, there's only been one depiction of an akitonian human...

Its not only about living space. Even in modern or scifi societies agriculture and ressource extraction take up a lot of space. Especially the former would be very limited on Verces.

But without more information, which I doubt we will get anytime soon, this is all just pure speculation.
I we basically have no idea how the planets look like as all books so far gave only a very high up bird eye view of them or a very small adventure excerpt (And not even that for Triaxus).
The middle ground detailing the society and the general degree of industrialization etc. of the planets (and countries on them) is missing.


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Note that Verces offloads a *lot* of resource extraction ( and probably agriculture as well ) either to the hot/coldsides, or orbit. Just because a region is unsuited for habitation doesn't mean you can't stick a mine, or a sealed greenhouse, there.

( Well, probably not that much agriculture, per se. . . but when you have an abundance of relatively cheap energy from perpetual daylight, you can afford to run some mondo indoor farms. . . )


Regardless I imagine that, were Paizo to make the iconics for the new classes races other than the ones in the CRB, the choice would be made based on which race best fits the theme of the class well before which races are more prominent in the setting or need more representation.

And all this debate aside I don't actually believe they're going to use new races or AA races for the iconics for this book. The Playtest Launch page includes art of an android, a ysoki, and a kasatha that I immediately assumed was the artwork for the three new iconics.

Granted even if that was true it's possible they could or have already changed their minds, but from what I'm given to understand about the development cycles for these projects, that's probably set in stone already.

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