How would you RP a dumb sorcerer?


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Lets say they have 16-18 CHA but only 8 or so INT. And are NG or CG.


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You can watch a few interview tv shows for some good ideas to base on. Sadly, watch the news for more obvious examples. Politicians in general often give excellent examples of charisma without intelligence. Many con men fit the trope as well.


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Daw wrote:
Politicians in general often give excellent examples of charisma without intelligence. Many con men fit the trope as well.

On those grounds:

Make heavy use of the spell Animal Messenger (on small birds, obviously) and kick out party members on a regular basis. Oh, and threaten to nuke enemies ("my spell slots are bigger than yours")!

Wait, NG or CG. Nevermind then.


Joey from Friends comes to mind, for low intelligence and high charisma. Though really, an 8 in intelligence isn’t meaningfully low for roleplaying. An 8 is no more an idiot than a 12 is a genius. It’s just a -1 modifier vs a +1 modifier.


I would do my best imitation of a pile of ash because that is all that would remain.


What are their other stats, out of curiousity?

If you're coupling the high Charisma with decent physical stats, you could always go the fairly classic farmboy-sorcerer route, such as Luke Skywalker or many of the Ohmsfords from the Shannara series (I wouldn't peg Luke at 8 Int, but you can pretty easily imagine how a lowborn, poorly-educated kid with a good heart - like Luke - could work with an 8 Int.)

I think for me, that'd be my guidepost that I'd start building a new character from.


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DUDES!!!!! He's Elan from Order of the Stick!!!!!


Yqatuba wrote:
Lets say they have 16-18 CHA but only 8 or so INT. And are NG or CG.

Hmmm. Well, I did once run a trigger happy CG Evoker Wizard with a low Wisdom. I'd let my mind wander, and then roll to see if he was bright enough to think of what I just did with a Intelligence roll. Then, I'd roll to see if he was foolish enough to just do it without thinking of the consequences with a Wisdom roll.

I roasted the party Ranger with Fireballs so many times he ended up nude and holding a fur blanket to cover himself. Very amusing.


Gulthor wrote:

What are their other stats, out of curiousity?

If you're coupling the high Charisma with decent physical stats, you could always go the fairly classic farmboy-sorcerer route, such as Luke Skywalker or many of the Ohmsfords from the Shannara series (I wouldn't peg Luke at 8 Int, but you can pretty easily imagine how a lowborn, poorly-educated kid with a good heart - like Luke - could work with an 8 Int.)

I think for me, that'd be my guidepost that I'd start building a new character from.

Haven't made stats it's just an idea so far. I figure they would have at least average WIS though.


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I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to life than being really, really, really, ridiculously good looking.


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Apply simple solutions to complex problems.

The world is full of hex bolts and machine screws - you brought a hammer.


Also what would be a good bloodline for them?


Lina Inverse


Peachbottom wrote:
Goku

An Int of 8 seems a little high for Goku, don't you think?


First, what is their backstory? Why are they "dumb"? Are they from a small village or some Faraway land or did they have a traumatic brain injury?

Once I figure out those elements, I can explore how that is expressed through their personality.

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Have him continuously tell everybody that burning hands is a great spell while color spray and sleep blow owlbear balls.


I'd say this is the typical min-max sorcerer in PFS... just CHA:20.     d[ o_0 ]b


If you’re going to buy 8 in intelligence, you may as well go down to 7. It’s not like you’ll have any fewer skills.


Piccolo wrote:
DUDES!!!!! He's Elan from Order of the Stick!!!!!

Came here to say this - Elan is pretty much an inspiration for high Cha, low Int (or Wis) characters.


thorin001 wrote:
Lina Inverse

An Int of 8 seems low for Lina Inverse. Wisdom, on the other hand...


Kimera757 wrote:
thorin001 wrote:
Lina Inverse
An Int of 8 seems low for Lina Inverse. Wisdom, on the other hand...

Agree. She’s fairly smart. I’m also not sure her charisma is that high. She doesn’t really have a good reputation.


There are lots of highly charismatic people with bad reputations. I'm afraid of naming them, as they tend to be celebrities or politicians though :)


I also don’t remember her ever solving a problem through charisma-based skills. Or anyone even being obviously attracted to her. What about her is charisma? She doesn’t even really have self confidence.


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Melkiador wrote:
I also don’t remember her ever solving a problem through charisma-based skills. Or anyone even being obviously attracted to her. What about her is charisma? She doesn’t even really have self confidence.

The Slayers came out before 3rd Edition, so before the "modern" sorcerer came into existence. She's kind of smart, but not very intellectual. (It's easy to seem smart if you travel with Naga, Amelia, or Gourry on a regular basis.) Kanzaka (the author) didn't necessarily give her lots of Charisma, or even ability scores beyond a very high Dexterity score. (Just see her melt trolls in the TV series' first season; fantastic Dexterity there.)

Lina does not use Vancian magic. In fact she doesn't even use sorcerer-like spell slots. She's more like a spell-point using caster, with loads of spell points. (In that setting, your level is basically your "bucket" capacity, while your talent is basically your "pool" capacity. So a spellcaster has to take buckets of mana out of the pool. If your bucket is large, you can dish out a high-level spell like Dragon Slave. If your pool is small, you could only do that once a day. Lina has a large bucket and a large pool.)

There's a lot of anime based on D&D, but apparently only Goblin Slayer actually follows the rules. I haven't seen any episodes of that yet, but as a direct result of learning that, I intend to do just that.

For that matter, lots of D&D fiction does not follow the rules. One reason is the lack of characters; it's very rare for a fantasy system to focus on more than one or two PCs. Arilyn Moonblade (a fighter/thief) and Danilo Thann (a bard/wizard/kind of) don't represent a whole party, plus Danilo wasn't present for most of the battles anyway.

Even Eberron's fantastic (IMO) Dreaming Dark book series, which involved (at the start) an adventuring party, had no full casters. They had a Mark of Healing as their "cleric" and an artificer as their "wizard". But it didn't stray too far from the rules.

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