I'm asking because I'm not finding my question anywhere on the forum, which either means it hasn't been asked, or it's been asked but it's buried. I want to know how a humanoid, such as a human, elf, Kitsune, etc, on a plane not the Prime Material would react to a Dismissal or Banishment spell. The latter, obviously, from a native denizen of the plane (since that's the wording).
I ask because they both say "extraplanar creature", not "outsider." If a human travels to, say, the Elemental Plan of Earth, do they count as extraplanar creatures at that point? If my oracle gets transported to Hell, can he Dismiss himself back to (80% chance) the Prime Material plane? If I get plopped into the Abyss, can a demon Banish me back to same said (assuming they can cast the spell)?
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Creatures from the Prime Materal who are on another plane are affected by Banishment and Dismissal.
They are kicked back to a random location on the Prime Material.
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Zarius wrote:
I ask because they both say "extraplanar creature", not "outsider." If a human travels to, say, the Elemental Plan of Earth, do they count as extraplanar creatures at that point? If my oracle gets transported to Hell, can he Dismiss himself back to (80% chance) the Prime Material plane? If I get plopped into the Abyss, can a demon Banish me back to same said (assuming they can cast the spell)?
The wording of both banishment and dismissal states that you can banish an extraplanar creature from your home plane.
Your in this case would mean the caster.
Using this wording, you cannot banish yourself ever. You cannot both be extra-planar and on your home plane.
A demon could banish you (when you're in the abyss) because you are on it's home plane.
Beyond that additional note I agree with Volkard.
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Wording of Dismissal:
Quote: Dismissal
School abjuration; Level cleric/oracle 4, inquisitor 4, shaman 4, sorcerer/wizard 5, summoner 4, unchained summoner 5; Bloodline abyssal 5
CASTING
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, DF
EFFECT
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one extraplanar creature
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Will negates; see text; Spell Resistance yes
DESCRIPTION
This spell forces an extraplanar creature back to its proper plane if it fails a Will save. If the spell is successful, the creature is instantly whisked away, but there is a 20% chance of actually sending the subject to a plane other than its own.
Dismissal says nothing about the caster being on it's home plane. I could never Banish myself, but I could Dismiss myself. I read them before asking. :P
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As long as a creature is not on its home plane, it gains the extraplanar creature template and thus becomes a valide target for Dismissal and Banishment.
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Zarius wrote:
Dismissal says nothing about the caster being on it's home plane. I could never Banish myself, but I could Dismiss myself. I read them before asking. :P
Looks like I misread dismissal. After rereading, I'd agree with you that you can dismissal yourself (if not on home plane), but not banish yourself.
Jared Walter 356 wrote: Zarius wrote:
Dismissal says nothing about the caster being on it's home plane. I could never Banish myself, but I could Dismiss myself. I read them before asking. :P
Looks like I misread dismissal. After rereading, I'd agree with you that you can dismissal yourself (if not on home plane), but not banish yourself.
I believe the 'home plane' restriction is specific to Holy Word (and its three sisters)...
Banishment does mention “your home plane”.
And that is exactly what happened to a high level cleric I was DMing for, he got hit by an Unholy Word and failed the Will save while on a layer within the Abyss. Was a bit inconvenient as it was a quest built around his character at the time. Delayed everything effectively for 24 hours till he could return (hoping it wouldn't happen again and with the foes having 24 extra hours to reinforce their defenses, oops).
Did the 3.5 thing about nobody counting on Extraplanar on transitive planes (ethereal etc) make it into Pathfinder?
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glass wrote: Did the 3.5 thing about nobody counting on Extraplanar on transitive planes (ethereal etc) make it into Pathfinder?
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Will check into this, far as I know you were still extraplanar if you were fully on the transitive planes (ethereal, shadow and astral if your home plane was the Material (but it's been years since I had my head wrapped around 3.5 the way it was 'back in the day'). Happen to have a link to the 3.5 rulings about it? I can certainly see the logic behind being in the border regions (like when Shadow Walking or using Ethereal Jaunt) not counting as making one extraplanar.
Kayerloth wrote: Will check into this, far as I know you were still extraplanar if you were fully on the transitive planes (ethereal, shadow and astral if your home plane was the Material (but it's been years since I had my head wrapped around 3.5 the way it was 'back in the day'). Happen to have a link to the 3.5 rulings about it? I'm pretty sure I read it in one of the hard-copy books, but searching around a bit, the 3.5 SRD says "No creature has the extraplanar subtype when it is on a transitive plane, such as the Astral Plane, the Ethereal Plane, and the Plane of Shadow." Which is fairly unequivocal.
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