paizo.com Recent Posts in Status of Golarion in New Edition?paizo.com Recent Posts in Status of Golarion in New Edition?2019-01-06T18:03:18Z2019-01-06T18:03:18ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Merakihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1162019-01-09T16:18:56Z2019-01-09T16:18:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> My point was not that everyone should always go with the 'they vanished' explanation, if your specific game has one that works better for you, I agree you should stick with it, but I was talking about what Paizo needed to do to keep their setting intact while accommodating WotR PCs who could very plausibly be more proactive.</blockquote><p>Ah, okay, I see the disconnect. I wasn't talking in my initial post about what Paizo would do in official canon, but how GMs can frame things at their own tables for their groups. Paizo obviously can't account for the things that happen in each group's games, so I expect they'll keep some things fairly nebulous. They might provide some suggestions for what to do with WotR PCs, but I'd imagine they'd leave it pretty open-ended in canon besides the Worldwouund being closed.Deadmanwalking wrote:My point was not that everyone should always go with the 'they vanished' explanation, if your specific game has one that works better for you, I agree you should stick with it, but I was talking about what Paizo needed to do to keep their setting intact while accommodating WotR PCs who could very plausibly be more proactive.
Ah, okay, I see the disconnect. I wasn't talking in my initial post about what Paizo would do in official canon, but how GMs can frame things at...Meraki2019-01-09T16:18:56ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?UnArcaneElectionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1152019-01-09T10:48:54Z2019-01-09T10:48:54Z<p>It would be possible to exchange one dystopia for another . . . possibly but not necessarily within the same country.</p>It would be possible to exchange one dystopia for another . . . possibly but not necessarily within the same country.UnArcaneElection2019-01-09T10:48:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Doktor Weaselhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1142019-01-09T10:21:59Z2019-01-09T10:21:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kevin Mack wrote:</div><blockquote>Hopefully this means that something will be done with a Razmir Ap soon (Since he is getting on a fair bit.) </blockquote><p>There are a lot of ways for Razmir to stay around though. He runs a country, he can probably get the Sun Orchid Elixir if he wanted. He's also a 19th level Wizard, if he gets 20th he can pick Immortality as his Arcane Discovery. And there's probably some other shenanigans that he can get up to for prolonging his life. Also there is the possibility that Razmir isn't a person at all at this point, but a title. For all we know, the original Razmir might be long dead and this is currently like the third guy to use the name (The Dread Pirate Razmir theory). Masks are useful for that. Or maybe he was never one person in the first place, but the front for an organization.
<p>I'm really looking forward to a Razmir AP, but also nervous. Mostly because usually the end of an AP like that is to kill the big bad or at least remove him from power. But having Razmir in power is interesting. I don't want him gone from the setting, just to play with the ideas that he brings to the table. </p>
<p>It's similar to my feelings about Galt. I'd love to see a Galt AP, but if the PCs end up fixing Galt (which is normally the kind of things PCs do), then it's lost what makes it fun. The fun thing about Galt is that it is a total dumpster fire. A perpetual Reign of Terror that goes through governments like Spinal Tap goes through drummers. If that's stopped, then it become more generic and uninteresting.</p>
<p>So I'd love to see both Razmiran and Galt APs, but I'd like the current dystopian countries to survive. And that's a real trick.</p>Kevin Mack wrote:Hopefully this means that something will be done with a Razmir Ap soon (Since he is getting on a fair bit.)
There are a lot of ways for Razmir to stay around though. He runs a country, he can probably get the Sun Orchid Elixir if he wanted. He's also a 19th level Wizard, if he gets 20th he can pick Immortality as his Arcane Discovery. And there's probably some other shenanigans that he can get up to for prolonging his life. Also there is the possibility that Razmir isn't a...Doktor Weasel2019-01-09T10:21:59ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Kevin Mackhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1132019-01-09T09:54:46Z2019-01-09T00:41:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Michael Sayre wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Jeven wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Since Paizo probably haven't written the new campaign setting, perhaps they might consider incorporating a few AP-failures, to create some really unexpected changes.
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</blockquote><p>You might be surprised on multiple fronts here.
<p>More specifically, and without making any particular claims, while its unlikely we'd assume many significant failures on the part of the PCs (I probably wouldn't take it too well if Karzoug somehow won despite the heroic and ingenious efforts of my party, for example) there's a lot of ways the world can be changed by a party who successfully completes an AP but misses a few notes along the way.</p>
<p>There's a few things we've already announced, like the fact that the Worldwound was successfully closed during Wrath of the Righteous, but there's a whole lot still to be discovered, and even areas you think you know really well might have changed in unexpected ways. For example, there are a pretty ridiculous number of aged rulers at the end of their lifespans, and I wouldn't expect all of them to survive when we update the setting with the last decade's worth of information.</p>
<p>Even if we went with a "The PCs always win every AP" approach, there would still be areas where an interesting interpretation of that could open up all kinds of possibilities. If you've played through War for the Crown, go check page 67 of The Six-Legend Soul. There's at least three distinct paths the story could take even on a "perfect" completion, all of which could have cascading effects. </blockquote><p>Hopefully this means that something will be done with a Razmir Ap soon (Since he is getting on a fair bit.)Michael Sayre wrote:Jeven wrote:
Since Paizo probably haven't written the new campaign setting, perhaps they might consider incorporating a few AP-failures, to create some really unexpected changes.
You might be surprised on multiple fronts here. More specifically, and without making any particular claims, while its unlikely we'd assume many significant failures on the part of the PCs (I probably wouldn't take it too well if Karzoug somehow won despite the heroic and ingenious efforts of my...Kevin Mack2019-01-09T00:41:26ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Raylyehhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1122019-01-09T00:00:42Z2019-01-09T00:00:42Z<p>The DD chapters did say that both WotR and SaS were successful. As far as the endings of other APs we will have to see. I am in the camp that thinks the best solution for WotR characters is for them to “ride off into the sunset” in some fashion because they could cause complete havoc on the setting as a whole.</p>
<p>Before I get started I apologize if the rest of this post rambles a bit. I am in no way an expert on the Golarion setting. All of my knowledge comes from having read the Inner Sea World Guide, playing in but not finishing RoW and MM plus random bits I’ve picked up from my GM and the forums. My only knowledge of the bestiaries past the 1st comes from things I’ve fought in game and I honestly have no clue about what mythic levels do. We never played a game with them so I never got around to looking it up. With that in mind let’s get started.</p>
<p>Meraki’s mentioning of Treerazer reminded me of a conversation I had with my GM a month or so ago. Apparently the problem with dealing with Treerazer isn’t necessarily its CR, but the fact that it’s a native outsider. No banishing and it can be resurrected. Maybe mythic stuff have ways around that that I’m not aware of and there are probably others as well but I devised a great scheme that sounds fun as hell.</p>
<p>So before your party goes to fight Treerazer you take a side trip through Galt. Pull off a Shadowrunesque espionage mission in Litran to get the schematic for a Final Blade. Your group then constructs a custom one. Make it big enough to fit Treerazer’s head in (I’m not sure how big he is but I’m assuming he’s not medium size), give it a cold iron blade and enchant it with Holy and Axiomatic for good measure. Them you go to fight Treerazer and subdue it in some fashion, then use the Final Blade. Then to minimize the chances of the blade being broken you put it in a very hard to find and very secure demiplane. End of story. </p>
<p>Which brings me to my last bit since we are talking about the setting and APs. I’ve noticed that none of the APs and most GMs won’t touch Galt with a 10ft pole which is sad because it is probably my favorite area in the Inner Sea. Paizo if you’re listening please make an AP dealing with Galt in PF2 it would make my PF dreams come true. </p>
<p>Okay I’m done. I’ll let you guys get back to it.</p>The DD chapters did say that both WotR and SaS were successful. As far as the endings of other APs we will have to see. I am in the camp that thinks the best solution for WotR characters is for them to “ride off into the sunset” in some fashion because they could cause complete havoc on the setting as a whole.
Before I get started I apologize if the rest of this post rambles a bit. I am in no way an expert on the Golarion setting. All of my knowledge comes from having read the Inner Sea...Raylyeh2019-01-09T00:00:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1112019-01-08T23:30:54Z2019-01-08T23:30:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Meraki wrote:</div><blockquote><p>(This got too long to quote.)</p>
<p>Two PCs in our specific mythic party are busy helping rule Mendev, and one is a bit eccentric and doesn't have too much interest in continuing to crusade. The fourth does go off from time to time to do things (in our continuity, she ended up going to kill Treerazer).</p>
<p>Our timeline is also a lot different than official canon, so the Worldwound's only been closed for a couple years (and Hell's Rebels was happening concurrently with WoTR, so Cheliax already has a slightly mythic party—we did the optional suggestion of giving them a mythic tier—looking after it).</p>
<p>Mythic is incredibly powerful, but it's still not omniscient. We found the "and then they ventured off into the cosmos and were never heard from again" narrative tactic way more unsatisfying than suspending a little bit of disbelief when it comes to what the PCs are up to these days.</blockquote><p>Well, firstly, killing Treerazer is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about that's a fairly radical setting change. If you want to fairly radically adjust the setting, having the Mythic PCs around is certainly viable...but Paizo explicitly doesn't want to do that outside what the APs did directly, which limits their options.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Meraki wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Uh, all right then? There are a few other factors keeping them uninvolved that I didn't mention because they're specific to things that have happened in our games, so they're not terribly relevant to other groups.</p>
<p>The point wasn't to say that everyone should use those exact rationales for their own games, but to say that there are plenty of things you can come up with to explain why other parties aren't going around solving everything.</blockquote><p>My point was not that everyone should always go with the 'they vanished' explanation, if your specific game has one that works better for you, I agree you should stick with it, but I was talking about what Paizo needed to do to keep their setting intact while accommodating WotR PCs who could very plausibly be more proactive.Meraki wrote:(This got too long to quote.)
Two PCs in our specific mythic party are busy helping rule Mendev, and one is a bit eccentric and doesn't have too much interest in continuing to crusade. The fourth does go off from time to time to do things (in our continuity, she ended up going to kill Treerazer).
Our timeline is also a lot different than official canon, so the Worldwound's only been closed for a couple years (and Hell's Rebels was happening concurrently with WoTR, so Cheliax...Deadmanwalking2019-01-08T23:30:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?PossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1102019-01-09T07:05:39Z2019-01-08T21:10:32Z<p>I think my favorite "write your WotR character off into the sunset" epilogue was the time oracle in our group who got in on the time-share that is "being Skyka" (we decided that the being which cursed her in the beginning was in fact herself, from the future.)</p>I think my favorite "write your WotR character off into the sunset" epilogue was the time oracle in our group who got in on the time-share that is "being Skyka" (we decided that the being which cursed her in the beginning was in fact herself, from the future.)PossibleCabbage2019-01-08T21:10:32ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Merakihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1092019-01-08T21:26:38Z2019-01-08T20:51:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Meraki wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Our WotR PCs (as well as the PCs from our other parties since all our APs take place in a continuous timeline) are handled in a couple of ways:</p>
<p>1. The Worldwound might be closed, but there are still a lot of demons running around and reclamation work to do, which will take up their time for the foreseeable future. (Other parties, likewise, are busy doing other stuff.)</blockquote><p>This is true of other parties, yes. It is not true of the party from WotR. They are Mythic Tier 10. That's the equivalent, officially of CR 25. Unofficially, as compared to non-mythic things, it works out to more like CR 30. They can probably effect things on a country wide scale with individual spells.
<p>...</p>
<p></blockquote><p>(This got too long to quote.)
<p>Two PCs in our specific mythic party are busy helping rule Mendev, and one is a bit eccentric and doesn't have too much interest in continuing to crusade. The fourth does go off from time to time to do things (in our continuity, she ended up going to kill Treerazer).</p>
<p>Our timeline is also a lot different than official canon, so the Worldwound's only been closed for a couple years (and Hell's Rebels was happening concurrently with WoTR, so Cheliax already has a slightly mythic party—we did the optional suggestion of giving them a mythic tier—looking after it).</p>
<p>Mythic is incredibly powerful, but it's still not omniscient. We found the "and then they ventured off into the cosmos and were never heard from again" narrative tactic way more unsatisfying than suspending a little bit of disbelief when it comes to what the PCs are up to these days.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> I really don't think that rationale works to provide a legitimately consistent setting. If you're all on board with suspending disbelief it can work for one specific group, but it fails my own standards by violating my suspension of disbelief...and many people have way higher standards in that regard than I. </blockquote><p>Uh, all right then? There are a few other factors keeping them uninvolved that I didn't mention because they're specific to things that have happened in our games, so they're not terribly relevant to other groups.
<p>The point wasn't to say that everyone should use those exact rationales for their own games, but to say that there are plenty of things you can come up with to explain why other parties aren't going around solving everything.</p>Deadmanwalking wrote:Meraki wrote:Our WotR PCs (as well as the PCs from our other parties since all our APs take place in a continuous timeline) are handled in a couple of ways:
1. The Worldwound might be closed, but there are still a lot of demons running around and reclamation work to do, which will take up their time for the foreseeable future. (Other parties, likewise, are busy doing other stuff.)
This is true of other parties, yes. It is not true of the party from WotR. They are Mythic...Meraki2019-01-08T20:51:44ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Gorbaczhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1082019-01-09T07:04:05Z2019-01-07T15:02:14Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Archpaladin Zousha wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Archpaladin Zousha wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote><p>You can just buy the PFS scenarios and read them.</p>
<p>Oh, except those which you can't buy without having enough GM stars. Welp, I guess, it's time to accept the mind-shattering reality that your headcanon will never be complete. </blockquote>That...that's intensely upsetting. Playing in a Campaign Setting is like coloring in a coloring book. Without a solid understanding of the lines (the canon), I run the risk of coloring outside the lines, resulting in the final picture (the narrative crafted through play) being sloppy and amateurish. </blockquote><p>What if the canon is sloppy and amateurish? And what if the canon contradicts itself? Because it's been both on occasions.
<p>You need to knock yourself out of your self-imposed expectations (unless it's somebody else demanding you follow the canon 120%, in which case you should tell them to knock it off). Also, you need some serious boost of self-confidence and realization that your own stories and ideas can fill the blanks in canon just as well as Paizo authors would do. I believe that James already explained that to you in his thread - canon is out there for you to use and interpret it creatively, not to follow it slavishly to a letter while shaking in fear that there might be out there a bit of setting info which you missed.</p>
<p>James Jacobs won't barge through your door and pulverize you for altering Golarion or for not following Paizo's books to the letter. No, seriously, he won't. </blockquote>So you're saying trying to create a "Archpaladin Zousha Golarion Cinematic Universe" by having my PCs from one AP make cameos in related APs is a hopeless dream? </blockquote><p>Far from that. I've ran Rise of the Runelords, Skull n' Shackles, Reign of Winter and now I'm running Strange Aeons and all happened in the same timeline, with cameos, easter eggs and interactions between each AP. The Strangeons team just learned that there's a new queen in Irrisen, which was installed by the Reign of Winter group.
<p>I'm using Paizo's setting as a canvas and I paint my own stories. Most of the time, I follow the canon because it's good and sound. Sometimes I modify it, sometimes I discard parts of it. In my Golarionverse the LN plane is Mechanus and it's populated by Modrons (it still has all the Paizo Axis stuff, I just couldn't let go of Planescape). You can meet a beholder if you're really (un)lucky.</p>
<p>This is your game and you have the amazing power to shape the setting. Wield it!</p>Archpaladin Zousha wrote:Gorbacz wrote: Archpaladin Zousha wrote: Gorbacz wrote:You can just buy the PFS scenarios and read them.
Oh, except those which you can't buy without having enough GM stars. Welp, I guess, it's time to accept the mind-shattering reality that your headcanon will never be complete.
That...that's intensely upsetting. Playing in a Campaign Setting is like coloring in a coloring book. Without a solid understanding of the lines (the canon), I run the risk of coloring...Gorbacz2019-01-07T15:02:14ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Doktor Weaselhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1072019-01-09T05:31:43Z2019-01-07T07:59:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Archpaladin Zousha wrote:</div><blockquote>So you're saying trying to create a "Archpaladin Zousha Golarion Cinematic Universe" by having my PCs from one AP make cameos in related APs is a hopeless dream? </blockquote><p>Not really, I think they're saying the exact opposite. Make your particular version of the setting. But it will inevitably deviate from canon. The longer it goes the more deviation will pile up. If nothing else, because written sources don't have your particular PCs doing their particular actions. So go and make your own internally consistent setting. But it will change from the baseline. That's not really a bad thing though. It's what makes it yours. I can guarente that my group's setting is different than any other group's (I mean we've got a Chaotic Neutral Qlipoth Cleric of Desna as an ally and as of yesterday 300 Skittermanders were released upon Golarion. We tend towards some wilder stuff than others might want).Archpaladin Zousha wrote:So you're saying trying to create a "Archpaladin Zousha Golarion Cinematic Universe" by having my PCs from one AP make cameos in related APs is a hopeless dream?
Not really, I think they're saying the exact opposite. Make your particular version of the setting. But it will inevitably deviate from canon. The longer it goes the more deviation will pile up. If nothing else, because written sources don't have your particular PCs doing their particular actions. So go and...Doktor Weasel2019-01-07T07:59:55ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?PossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1062019-01-09T05:31:33Z2019-01-07T05:04:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Archpaladin Zousha wrote:</div><blockquote>So you're saying trying to create a "Archpaladin Zousha Golarion Cinematic Universe" by having my PCs from one AP make cameos in related APs is a hopeless dream? </blockquote><p>By all means do that, just don't sweat it if something you did contradicts something in some Paizo material you haven't read or if some material Paizo later publishes contradicts something you did. In terms of the game you are running the GM has the prerogative to overrule even James Jacobs. Even if he shows up to your home, you can just tell him "well, in a previous game this happened, which changed things" or "we liked this better, so we changed it."Archpaladin Zousha wrote:So you're saying trying to create a "Archpaladin Zousha Golarion Cinematic Universe" by having my PCs from one AP make cameos in related APs is a hopeless dream?
By all means do that, just don't sweat it if something you did contradicts something in some Paizo material you haven't read or if some material Paizo later publishes contradicts something you did. In terms of the game you are running the GM has the prerogative to overrule even James Jacobs. Even if he shows...PossibleCabbage2019-01-07T05:04:27ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Snowblind, Pedantry Drake (alias of Snowblind)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1052019-01-09T18:24:38Z2019-01-07T03:25:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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James Jacobs won't barge through your door and pulverize you for altering Golarion or for not following Paizo's books to the letter. No, seriously, he won't. </blockquote><p>Don't be ridiculous.
<p>Have you <b>seen</b> how big a T-Rex is. JJ ain't fitting through no door that can't receive "Largest Vehicles on Earth" short-listers.</p>Gorbacz wrote:James Jacobs won't barge through your door and pulverize you for altering Golarion or for not following Paizo's books to the letter. No, seriously, he won't.
Don't be ridiculous. Have you seen how big a T-Rex is. JJ ain't fitting through no door that can't receive "Largest Vehicles on Earth" short-listers.Snowblind, Pedantry Drake (alias of Snowblind)2019-01-07T03:25:23ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Archpaladin Zoushahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1042019-01-07T02:34:53Z2019-01-07T02:34:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Archpaladin Zousha wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote><p>You can just buy the PFS scenarios and read them.</p>
<p>Oh, except those which you can't buy without having enough GM stars. Welp, I guess, it's time to accept the mind-shattering reality that your headcanon will never be complete. </blockquote>That...that's intensely upsetting. Playing in a Campaign Setting is like coloring in a coloring book. Without a solid understanding of the lines (the canon), I run the risk of coloring outside the lines, resulting in the final picture (the narrative crafted through play) being sloppy and amateurish. </blockquote><p>What if the canon is sloppy and amateurish? And what if the canon contradicts itself? Because it's been both on occasions.
<p>You need to knock yourself out of your self-imposed expectations (unless it's somebody else demanding you follow the canon 120%, in which case you should tell them to knock it off). Also, you need some serious boost of self-confidence and realization that your own stories and ideas can fill the blanks in canon just as well as Paizo authors would do. I believe that James already explained that to you in his thread - canon is out there for you to use and interpret it creatively, not to follow it slavishly to a letter while shaking in fear that there might be out there a bit of setting info which you missed.</p>
<p>James Jacobs won't barge through your door and pulverize you for altering Golarion or for not following Paizo's books to the letter. No, seriously, he won't. </blockquote><p>So you're saying trying to create a "Archpaladin Zousha Golarion Cinematic Universe" by having my PCs from one AP make cameos in related APs is a hopeless dream?Gorbacz wrote:Archpaladin Zousha wrote: Gorbacz wrote:You can just buy the PFS scenarios and read them.
Oh, except those which you can't buy without having enough GM stars. Welp, I guess, it's time to accept the mind-shattering reality that your headcanon will never be complete.
That...that's intensely upsetting. Playing in a Campaign Setting is like coloring in a coloring book. Without a solid understanding of the lines (the canon), I run the risk of coloring outside the lines, resulting...Archpaladin Zousha2019-01-07T02:34:53ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Mark Carlson 255https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1032019-01-06T19:37:29Z2019-01-06T19:37:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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James Jacobs won't barge through your door and pulverize you for altering Golarion or for not following Paizo's books to the letter. No, seriously, he won't. </blockquote><p>smile,
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No matter how much you group may want him to.
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end smile</p>
<p>Then again having James Jacobs visit your game might be a huge Piazo Prize to give away or maybe even a lottery for them to run.</p>
<p>MDC</p>Gorbacz wrote:James Jacobs won't barge through your door and pulverize you for altering Golarion or for not following Paizo's books to the letter. No, seriously, he won't.
smile,
No matter how much you group may want him to.
end smileThen again having James Jacobs visit your game might be a huge Piazo Prize to give away or maybe even a lottery for them to run.
MDCMark Carlson 2552019-01-06T19:37:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?Mark Carlson 255https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1022019-01-06T19:30:54Z2019-01-06T19:30:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Chakat Firepaw wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Carlson 255 wrote:</div><blockquote>The main idea is "how to get more people groups involved in the settings and keep them involved?". Will the living setting idea work? In the past (I think it was called the living city project or soemthing back in the 90's) I think it was tried but the things you need were not in place (the internet). And I seem to remember that there was comments about organization of "how things were done" that some people thought were troublesome.</blockquote><p>Living City was an RPGA organized play system for AD&D based around the city of Raven's Bluff in the Forgotten Realms. It was pretty much exclusively run as events at things like conventions and tournaments, so the communication issues weren't as bad as you imply.
<p>Living City also ran for about 15 years, so I think it qualifies for a bit more than just "tried". </blockquote><p>Thanks for the info and I will look further into it.
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My limited exposure to Living City was from people going to cons and playing in it around San Francisco, CA and their reports of their experiences.</p>
<p>MDC</p>Chakat Firepaw wrote:Mark Carlson 255 wrote:The main idea is "how to get more people groups involved in the settings and keep them involved?". Will the living setting idea work? In the past (I think it was called the living city project or soemthing back in the 90's) I think it was tried but the things you need were not in place (the internet). And I seem to remember that there was comments about organization of "how things were done" that some people thought were troublesome.
Living City...Mark Carlson 2552019-01-06T19:30:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Status of Golarion in New Edition?PossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42eia&page=3?Status-of-Golarion-in-New-Edition#1012019-01-06T17:55:07Z2019-01-06T17:55:07Z<p>I mean it's worth noting that the official canon includes a lot of things which are intentionally kept vague or un(der)explained. Either because of something like "they will never actually say what happened to Aroden" or because they are presenting the mystery for a plot hook and "figuring it out" is going to foment more creativity than "reading what the answer is."</p>
<p>I mean, they could give us a setting book about Sarusan, but that place is more useful to a GM or a writer as "a mysterious place where no one who visits ever returns, also we think giant monsters live there" than somewhere well-understood.</p>I mean it's worth noting that the official canon includes a lot of things which are intentionally kept vague or un(der)explained. Either because of something like "they will never actually say what happened to Aroden" or because they are presenting the mystery for a plot hook and "figuring it out" is going to foment more creativity than "reading what the answer is."
I mean, they could give us a setting book about Sarusan, but that place is more useful to a GM or a writer as "a mysterious...PossibleCabbage2019-01-06T17:55:07Z