Bogeyman spell-like ability concentration modifying ability is...?


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The standard bogeyman from Bestiary 3 lists its caster level for its spell-like abilities as 16. Its Concentration modifier is +17. It's a 17 HD creature.
Its ability scores are Str 12, Dex 21, Con 14, Int 15, Wis 16, Cha 25.

I've added some hit dice and a template to it, and I'm trying to figure out its new Concentration mod. The Caster Level of its spell-like abilities has not changed, so is still 16, but its ability scores have changed.

The base bogeyman had a Concentration of +17. Concentration is supposed to be caster level plus casting ability score modifier. So does that mean it was using Strength as its concentration modifier? That's the only one that offers a +1 on the base bogeyman.

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Wolf Munroe wrote:

The standard bogeyman from Bestiary 3 lists its caster level for its spell-like abilities as 16. Its Concentration modifier is +17. It's a 17 HD creature.

Its ability scores are Str 12, Dex 21, Con 14, Int 15, Wis 16, Cha 25.

I've added some hit dice and a template to it, and I'm trying to figure out its new Concentration mod. The Caster Level of its spell-like abilities has not changed, so is still 16, but its ability scores have changed.

The base bogeyman had a Concentration of +17. Concentration is supposed to be caster level plus casting ability score modifier. So does that mean it was using Strength as its concentration modifier? That's the only one that offers a +1 on the base bogeyman.

Interestingly, the Bestiary 3 lists the caster level as 16, but herolab, and the srd list it as 10.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/bogeyman/

The spell-like abilities say the saves are charisma based. I suspect it's caster level is indeed supposed to be 10. That would give the concentration modified of 10 (CL) + 7 (CHA). Increases to charisma would up the concentration and DC of its abilities.

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Jared Walter 356 wrote:

Interestingly, the Bestiary 3 lists the caster level as 16, but herolab, and the srd list it as 10.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/bogeyman/

The spell-like abilities say the saves are charisma based. I suspect it's caster level is indeed supposed to be 10. That would give the concentration modified of 10 (CL) + 7 (CHA). Increases to charisma would up the concentration and DC of its abilities.

Or maybe not. The Errata page from Piazo on bestiary 3 specifically says to change to caster level 16, but that would mean the concentration DC is off. It's possible it didn't get updated with the new printing. If so, the concentration check should be +23. 16 CL + 7 CHA.


Jared Walter 356 wrote:
Jared Walter 356 wrote:

Interestingly, the Bestiary 3 lists the caster level as 16, but herolab, and the srd list it as 10.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/bogeyman/

The spell-like abilities say the saves are charisma based. I suspect it's caster level is indeed supposed to be 10. That would give the concentration modified of 10 (CL) + 7 (CHA). Increases to charisma would up the concentration and DC of its abilities.

Or maybe not. The Errata page from Piazo on bestiary 3 specifically says to change to caster level 16, but that would mean the concentration DC is off. It's possible it didn't get updated with the new printing. If so, the concentration check should be +23. 16 CL + 7 CHA.

Thanks. I'll recalculate it using CL 16 and Charisma if that's what it's supposed to be. I knew the DCs were using Charisma, but I couldn't make sense of that Concentration +17.

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