Anyone have any experience with Scribe Scroll?


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I was thinking about maybe getting this for my Wizard or cleric character if it's worthy. I figure I use it for spells that don't have a DC like Shield Other, Longstrider etc.


Its functional. Cost works out to be just a fraction over half the price of buying a scroll.
Yes the DC cap is stupid, and just wrong compared to what you can cast yourself.


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Scribe Scroll is most useful for utility spells that you don't want to prepare every day on the off chance you might need them.


It requires the same amount of actions to activate as the original spell itself correct?


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Correct, though I think you need an extra action to pull out the scroll if you don't start your turn with it in hand, much like a potion.


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Atalius wrote:
I was thinking about maybe getting this for my Wizard or cleric character if it's worthy. I figure I use it for spells that don't have a DC like Shield Other, Longstrider etc.

The scrolls themselves are nice. The feat to craft one of appropriate level in 4 days, much like any other crafting feat, sucks nuts, especially if you are in adventures (or play with GMs) that don't have very much downtime.


The cost is 20sp for a first level spell correct?

And LOL @Darksol you are correct there


In this version are there spring loaded wrist sheaths or similar items to be able to pull out the scroll faster than spending an action? I was thinking a scroll of true strike could be ok if it was already in hand or if there was a way to get it into your hand and use it all in one action. I'm aware Scroll cases exist but I imagine it would take an action pulling a scroll out of the case?


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In "The Mirrored Moon", our Wizard used some downtime to scribe some Fireball scrolls. The party just needed some extra staying power in the final battle. I think he went into combat with the scroll in his hand (not a tough sacrifice for a Wizard with a Staff in the other hand).


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Atalius wrote:
The cost is 20sp for a first level spell correct?

A 1st level scroll is 3gp (page 379)

So a level 1 crafter...

Spends 15sp (or 60sp for a batch of 4) after 4 days crafting.
->On a successful DC check you can spend another 15sp (or 60sp for a batch of 4) to be finished crafting. Or take 15 days (1sp per day for each scroll) to finish without spending any more sp.
->On a Crit successful DC you can spend another 15sp (or 60sp for a batch of 4) to be finished crafting. Or take 8 days (2sp per day for each scroll) to finish without spending any more sp.


Wizards (and alchemists) are the best crafters in the game. There's really not much keeping you from raising Crafting and your high Int will make you pretty good at it.

So I'd say pck up Magical Crafting instead, which includes all scrolls.

Only possible reasons to use Scribe Scroll instead are

- You're a Wis-based caster and want to use your Wis-based skill (Religion/Nature) instead of Craft.
- You're playing a very low level character and don't qualify for magical Crafting.
- You're starved for skill increases and absolutely can't find any room to get crafting to expert or higher.


Or,
-you got it from your background and hey, free stuff.


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Blave wrote:

So I'd say pck up Magical Crafting instead, which includes all scrolls.

Only possible reasons to use Scribe Scroll instead are

- You're a Wis-based caster and want to use your Wis-based skill (Religion/Nature) instead of Craft.
- You're playing a very low level character and don't qualify for magical Crafting.
- You're starved for skill increases and absolutely can't find any room to get crafting to expert or higher.

There are other problems with taking Magical Crafting over Scribe Scroll.

The Magical Crafting requires that you have the formulas to each item that you are crafting, which would include one for every spell you can put on a Scroll. You also have to have the Crafting Skill.

Where as the Scribe Scroll requires only that you can cast the needed spell to be made into a Scroll, not the formulas. You also don’t need the Crafting Skill.


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Dr Styx wrote:

The Magical Crafting requires that you have the formulas to each item that you are crafting, which would include one for every spell you can put on a Scroll. You also have to have the Crafting Skill.

Where as the Scribe Scroll requires only that you can cast the needed spell to be made into a Scroll, not the formulas. You also don’t need the Crafting Skill.

Where do you get this from?

Scribe Scroll only allows you to use the approrpiate knowledge skill instead of the Crafting skill to use the Craft activity. The Craft activity comes with its own list of requirements, including having the approptiate formula. Nothing in the Scribe Scroll feat says you ignore any of those requirements.

As for the formulas, I think you're supposed to need the formulas for the items as they are listed in the treasure table starting page 349. So you'd need the formula "Scroll of a 1st-level spell" for all 1st level spell scrolls, not one formula per spell. It's not clear in the rules by any means and I actually made a topic about it here.

But anyway, I don't see how Scribe Scroll would allow you to craft scrolls without any formulas.


Blave wrote:

Where do you get this from?

I don't see how Scribe Scroll would allow you to craft scrolls without any formulas.

I Think I got it from the absence of the Scribe Scroll Skill Feat (page 171) saying you gain any formulas when you take this Feat. Unlike the Alchemical Crafting Skill Feat (page 162), Magicl Crafting Skill Feat (page168), and Snare Crafting Skill Feat (page 171) all say that says you gain four formulas with the Feat. This lead me to thinking none where needed. I also find it odd that the Crafting Skill only mentions Alchemical Crafting Skill Feat (page 162) ,Magical Crafting Skill Feat (page 168) ,Snare Crafting Skill Feat (page 171) ,and not Scribe Scroll Skill Feat (page 171). Again this could lead one to think that not all parts of the Crafting Skill pertains to scribing scrolls.

I could also see your logic behind only needing a formula for each spell level to make a Spell Scroll with the Magical Crafting Feat. Though the the use of just the Spell Level on the Treasure Tables was ment to keep the amount of space it would take down. In the Ultimate Equipment book there are full tables of named Spell Scrolls and Potions, when space in the book was not an issue.


It's just a guess, but I'd wager Scribe Scroll was a late-ish addition to the game. Like someone in Paizo's internal testing games suddenly going "Why can't my cleric scribe scrolls without investing in crafting?"

Would explain why it has a different wording from the other crafting feats and is missing in some references.

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