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As far as i cna tell, the pyrausta is a legal improved familiar in society play. It has a built in flyby attack, which according to herolab is NOT legal for PFS play. Can anyone confirm, deny, or point me in the direction of a clarification for this issue? I have been looking for awhile, and I can't find anything substantiating Herolab, and while i know it does have flaws, a lot of times it catches my booboos too, so want to make sure its not mine.

Silver Crusade 1/5 Venture-Agent, Louisana—Denham Springs aka Val'bryn2

Flyby attack is not a legal choice FOR CHARACTERS, part of the blanket ban on choosing monster feats. Your familiar should be able to have it.

2/5

Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up. I want to do flyby breath attacks, and soon flyby weird words from it. I'm a sound striker bard

5/5 Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

hmmm... Pyrausta is from Bestiary 5 page 200, AoN doesn't have the PFS Open Road icon on it.

Addt'l Resources wrote:

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 5

Animal Companions: The blue whale, cameroceras, ceratosaurus, chalicotherium, digmaul, kaprosuchus, moa, narwhal, plesiosaurus, therizinosaurus, troodon, and uintatherium are legal for play. The wolliped is a legal choice for triaxian PCs, who may select it in place of a horse animal companion. Familiars: The brain mole, chuspiki, clockwork familiar, liminal sprite, wysp, xiao, and all familiars listed and pages 112-113 are legal for play; a chuspiki's air blast ability always functions as if it were a 3rd-level kineticist. Feats: None of the feats are legal for play for PCs, animal companions, or familiars unless specifically granted by another legal source. Other: All creatures in this book are legal for polymorph effects (including a druid's wild shape ability) within the boundaries of each spell or ability's parameters. All languages found in this book are available for a character to learn with the Linguistics skill.

In the Bestiary 5 p112 lists 6 additional familiars (not improved familiars).

Pyrausta p200 CR 1/4 does not have the word familiar on it nor allude it bonding with humans. Ramidreju p201 CR 1/2 does allude to bonding with humans.

Certainly it has the right HD for an improved familiar, but I'd have to say that for PFS it looks like it is not a legal choice without a special chronicle/boon.
The "listed and page 112-113" could be a typo and intended to be "listed on page 112-113"


Quote:

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 5

Animal Companions: The blue whale, cameroceras, ceratosaurus, chalicotherium, digmaul, kaprosuchus, moa, narwhal, plesiosaurus, therizinosaurus, troodon, and uintatherium are legal for play. The wolliped is a legal choice for triaxian PCs, who may select it in place of a horse animal companion. Familiars: The brain mole, chuspiki, clockwork familiar, liminal sprite, wysp, xiao, and all familiars listed and pages 112-113 are legal for play; a chuspiki's air blast ability always functions as if it were a 3rd-level kineticist. Feats: None of the feats are legal for play for PCs, animal companions, or familiars unless specifically granted by another legal source. Other: All creatures in this book are legal for polymorph effects (including a druid's wild shape ability) within the boundaries of each spell or ability's parameters. All languages found in this book are available for a character to learn with the Linguistics skill.

So, unless the pyraustra is on page 112 or 113, then it's not legal. I don't own that source though.

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Hm interesting :/ I missed that somehow... any other small dragon type familiars out there, or suggestions? I know on the pfsrd it very specifically mentions using it as a familiar

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/dragons/pyrausta/

I also found this verbage

All familiars can activate the abilities of their use-activated magic items, so long as these abilities do not require a command word. The following familiars can use spell trigger and spell completion magic items, including wands and scrolls, as well as magic items with a command word: arbiter, brownie, cassisian (in small humanoid form), faerie dragon, imp, leshy (any), liminal sprite, lyrakien, mephit (any type), nosoi, nuglub, pooka, pyrausta, quasit, shikigami, soulbound doll, sprite, and zhyen.

on this page https://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fq directly from paizo...

Also that says all familiars AND pages 112+113, not all familiars ON page 112+113, which would mean all familiars in the book, and whatever is on pages 112+113. It may be intended to say all familiars listed on those pages, but thats not what it says...

as for it not aying its a familiar, many improved familiars dont mention that they are, such as mephits.

Silver Crusade 1/5 Venture-Agent, Louisana—Denham Springs aka Val'bryn2

Except they have been specifically listed as possible improved familiars, either in the feat or as part of the monster write-up. If it isn't mentioned in either area, it isn't a familiar.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion Subscriber

It may be available as part of a special boon reward, rather than being always available - improved familiar options are relatively common for this purpose.

5/5 Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

In a home game, why not. A pyrausta seems cool and reasonable improved familiar.
In PFS it is not allowed without a paperwork exception. I haven't heard of one currently in distribution.

Current dragon exceptions are Faerie Dragon, Pseudodragon, ummm, that's all off the top of my head. PFS heavily regulates what familiars can do. Pipefox got the short end of the meerschaum.
There is an old blog post by John Compton about familiars, go search for that in the blogs.

While you are into familiars and that's fine, IMO a bonded object(amulet) is a better choice.


It seems to be PFS legal, see list on http://www.aonprd.com/WizardFamiliars.aspx. It has the PFS legal icon.

Reqs: Chaotic neutral (within 1 step), 3rd level

5/5 Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

good find...

Wizard Familiars scroll down... and down...

but there's a little note at the bottom of the table...

AoN wrote:
3 A spellcaster within one step of chaotic neutral with an arcane caster level of 3rd or greater can gain a pyrausta as a familiar by taking the Improved Familiar feat. This causes the pyrausta’s heart spark to glow slightly less brightly, but more steadily. This removes its fast healing ability and heart of flame special abilities.

*sigh* so fast healing is gone but so's the negative Heart of Flame(Ex). I suspect Vulnerable to Cold remains due to "Weaknesses: heart of flame, vulnerable to cold."

the Addt'l Resources text should be clearer as Archive of Nethys isn't the authority on the topic...
There's nothing in the Bestiary 5 that points to any improved familiars. p312 has Monster Cohorts and then Animal Companions.

5/5 Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

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to save you from my meanderings - Pyrausta is PFS legal IF you own Player Companion book Legacy of Dragons.

(long post - there's a lot of running about on this one as there are 2 sources and only one allows access to the creature)

Blog posts of interest to those with animals:

blog posts;
Dangerous World on 11-10-2017 refers to the familiar list in Ult Wilderness.

A Few More Answers on 06-22-2017 >an important blog post< lists many familiars/animal companions pre-FAQ and it has 421 comments (whole bunch of activity).
It clarifies; "This ruling does override the old guidance in that particular thread. There were several different sets of guidelines posted in different places. If you purchased items for your Improved Familiar following the guidance in that thread that you no longer wish to keep, you may sell them back for full price." & "The Extra Item Slot swap applies to all familiars, including unique ones received from Chronicle sheet boons."

PFS FAQs on the topic start here-> PFS FAQ and pyrausta appears under Can my familiar wield weapons? Can it wear or use armor or magic items?.

So as this is an FAQ, I'm going to assume this is the exhaustive familiar list BUT it references Addt'l Resources to address access. Faerie Dragon is listed and there's no special note and we all know that Faerie Dragon access is restricted to a specific Chronicle. please don't post exactly which one without a spoiler

Lastly... Pyrausta appears in 2 sources, Bestiary 5 and Legacy of Dragons p27.
I reviewed the Bestiary 5 (above) and that did not grant access and sidestepped the idea of pyrausta as a familiar.
Reviewing Legacy of Dragons and VIOLA! Addt'l Resources, "Familiar: All familiars in this book are legal for play."
as it is PFS you need to own that Player Companion book.
Secondly at 3rd level with Improved Familiar feat selecting the Pyrausta it will lose fast healing and the Heart of Flame(Ex).

Legacy of Dragons grants access to; Calligraphy Wyrm, Pseudowyvern, Pyrausta(as a sidebar). It also mentions Pseudodragon, Faerie Dragon, Pyrausta, Shadow Drake. Given the Addt'l Resources text I believe it opens all of these familiars.
Given the nature of some of those there's probably a PFS thread about it.

5/5 Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

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while it may seem unclear on the 'honorable mentions' in Legacy of Dragons, Archive of Nethys has legal icons on some and not others. There are multiple sources coming into play.
As Pyrausta is a sidebar and not a monster entry it would seem that the opening text talking about arcane casters taking each of the above draconic familiars would be the qualifying text. Yeah, normally there are monster entries or just text so it's a mixed bag.
Be that as it may, Shadow Drake requires the master to have an Evil Alignment, thus it is out of reach for PFS Players.

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Wow Azothath you really took my question and ran with it. Thanks a lot for your obvious hardwork, concise responses, details and links. hould anyone question me at PFS, I will be pulling up your posts for certain. I have gotten the pdf version of the book to cover me, as i primarily keep my characters on file on my computer for ease of transporting them all.

Thanks as well to all others who helped/attempted to aid me in my search.

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