I know the Alchemist's vestigial arm discovery has been questioned to death by this point, but I was unable to find this issue addressed: If you had a reach weapon held in two vestigial arms but it was not used in your regular attack actions that round can it still be used for attacks of opportunity? I am hoping the lack of questions about this means it is as cut and dry as I believe, i.e. these are not "extra" attacks, simply the normal use of the weapon.
RAI the answer is probably no. However, by the RAW I don't see why this wouldn't work.
For example, if we remove vestigal arms from the equation and instead look at a polearm wielder who spent the turn doing something other than attacking with their polearm. They would still get AoO as normal if someone ran up to them.
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It should work fine. No extra attacks are being utilized here.
Great! So a feral mutagen user with a longspear in two vestigial arms could get his three full attack bonus natural weapon attacks and then have the reach of the longspear to deal with approaching or retreating enemies with AoOs.
Yep, that sounds right. Bite/claw/claw, then you're able to make attacks of opportunity within 5' (using bite or claw) or within 10' (using longspear), though never with both on the same opportunity or resulting from the same movement.
Great! So a feral mutagen user with a longspear in two vestigial arms could get his three full attack bonus natural weapon attacks and then have the reach of the longspear to deal with approaching or retreating enemies with AoOs.
Yes
note that some gm might make you take the normal penalty for using natural weapons along manufactured ones(as in they count as secondary weapons), if you use them both together.
(no i don't mean like attacking on your turn with one and getting aoo out of turn with the other. i mean like getting 2 aoo. one with spear when target get close then getting a 2nd aoo from him casting a spell near you using your natural weapons on him)
i mean like getting 2 aoo. one with spear when target get close then getting a 2nd aoo from him casting a spell near you using your natural weapons on him)But you can normally only take 1 AoO per turn
Combat reflexes, yo.
note that some gm might make you take the normal penalty for using natural weapons along manufactured ones(as in they count as secondary weapons), if you use them both together.
A GM could do that, but the text only applies such penalties when making a full attack, not when making separate attacks against different opportunities.
note that some gm might make you take the normal penalty for using natural weapons along manufactured ones(as in they count as secondary weapons), if you use them both together.
(no i don't mean like attacking on your turn with one and getting aoo out of turn with the other. i mean like getting 2 aoo. one with spear when target get close then getting a 2nd aoo from him casting a spell near you using your natural weapons on him)
Natural weapons only count as secondary when used as part of a full attack in conjunction with manufactured weapons.
Attacks of Opportunity are not part of a full attack. It does not matter how many you take in one turn.
Attacks of Opportunity are not part of a full attack. It does not matter how many you take in one turn.
Technically speaking it's possible for an immediate or readied action to trigger in the middle of your full attack, which could provoke an attack of opportunity during the full attack. It would take an extremely contrived scenario to happen, but it could happen.
Attacks of Opportunity are not part of a full attack. It does not matter how many you take in one turn.Technically speaking it's possible for an immediate or readied action to trigger in the middle of your full attack, which could provoke an attack of opportunity during the full attack. It would take an extremely contrived scenario to happen, but it could happen.
Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack’s original type.
Emphasis mine.
Even if an AoA were to occur under such conditions, it would not be part of the full attack action. The AoA would be it's own, distinct action and the natural attack would be resolved as primary.
i stand corrected.
thx for teaching me something i didn't notice ;)
As I understand the RAW no, because that is more attacks than you'd have without them.