Dimensional Savant interraction with teamwork feats


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Hi all,
I have this idea of a Dimensional Savant build, but i'm not sure how it interracts with the different Teamwork feats.
I'll describe the setup first, and then get to each question, step by step.
So, as a setup, we assume the character has the required number of feats, and the available attacks of opportunities (it would probably be the limit to the build).
We'll also assume the character hits, crits and confirms for the sake of looking at how to deal with the different teamwork feats.
So the character has the 4 dimensional feats (Dim Agility, Dim assault, Dim dervish and dim savant), and then has the following teamwork feats :

- Outflank

Spoiler:
Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +4.
Benefit: Whenever you and an ally who also has this feat are flanking the same creature, your flanking bonus on attack rolls increases to +4. In addition, whenever you score a critical hit against the flanked creature, it provokes an attack of opportunity from your ally.

- Paired opportunist
Spoiler:
Benefit: Whenever you are adjacent to an ally who also has this feat, you receive a +4 circumstance bonus on attacks of opportunity against creatures that you both threaten. Enemies that provoke attacks of opportunity from your ally also provoke attacks of opportunity from you so long as you threaten them (even if the situation or an ability would normally deny you the attack of opportunity). This does not allow you to take more than one attack of opportunity against a creature for a given action.

- Seize the moment
Spoiler:
Prerequisite: Combat Reflexes, Improved Critical.

Benefit: When an ally who also has this feat confirms a critical hit against an opponent that you also threaten, you can make an attack of opportunity against that opponent.

Still, for the sake of analysing the mechanics, we assume the character has enought movement for his "dimensional jumps" between each attacks, and will have 5 attacks.

The dimensional savant will start the fight adjacent to his ennemy.

So here are the questions :
1) As he starts adjacent to his ennemy, he'll dimension door to the other side of his target to do his first attack. Is he considered flanking his opponent on his first attack ?

2) He crits on his first attack. As he is his own ally, he provokes an attack of opportunity with Outflank. Does he gets an attack of opportunity from Seize the moment too ? (so basically 2 attacks of opportunity.)

3) What happens if he crits on his attack of opportunity ? Does it provoke another attack of opportunity (from outflank and/or seize the moment) ?

4) For his second attack, he moves to an adjacent square. He's now flanking AND adjacent. He crits. So he gets an attack of opportunity (from outflank and/or seize the moment). Should he get another one from Paired opportunist ? (or 2 additional if he makes one from outflank and one from seize the moment, should he get 2 additional from Paired opportunist ?

5) He has a fortuitous weapon (enables a second attack of opportunity at -5). If he can trigger paired opportunist, does he triggers it once for his first attack, and a second for his second attack of opportunity (at -5).

6) That's maybe the first question i should have asked : using dimensional savant do you actually qualify to count as your own ally for the purposes of teamwork feats ? To use this attack of opportunity loop/exploit would you need some kind of ability similar to the Inquisitor ?

Those are rethorical questions, and whatever should be the rulling on those combo, remember this requires all your feats, and probably some twisted build to pull out.
I love the concept of dimensional savant, i just want to see how it really works, and how much you can get out of it. Without using/exploiting those teamwork feats, it's basically a glorified pounce, with "semi-auto flanking", but costing a minimum of 4 feats and the usage of a hard to come by ressource (either Ki or spell slot)

On a subsidiary note, if we imagine an item provinding dimensional door at will (or X times a day) would it be usable with dimensional dervish ?

Thanks for your enlightenment :)


If you receive an AoO and you have a feat saying that your allies receive an AoO also, this doesn't mean that you get two AoOs. It's one event giving you the AoO and you don't get to make more than one attack for a given opportunity (CRB, page 180, under 'Combat Reflexes and Additional Attacks of Opportunity'.)

While you are your own ally Outflank and Seize' (& Paired') are wriiten as needing two different people to work IMO. As a general rule you need 2+ people to use teamwork feats as I understand it. Dimensional savant and friends don't affect that.

Grand Lodge

Inquisitor can work perhaps?


Solo tactics lets you treat others as possessing your teamwork feats. It doesn't, despite the name, assist you in operating solo.


Zoin wrote:
6) That's maybe the first question i should have asked : using dimensional savant do you actually qualify to count as your own ally for the purposes of teamwork feats ? To use this attack of opportunity loop/exploit would you need some kind of ability similar to the Inquisitor ?

Savant only allows you to flank with yourself. It has no interaction with teamwork feats.

The own ally FAQ has exceptions, such as when it "would make no sense or be impossible". This part is often happily ignored, but should definitely apply to teamwork feats.

But as avr points out, both Outflank and Paired Opportunist wouldn't work since they're both directly referring to another player.

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Zoin wrote:
1) As he starts adjacent to his ennemy, he'll dimension door to the other side of his target to do his first attack. Is he considered flanking his opponent on his first attack ?

I don't believe so. Savant says that "you provide flanking from all squares you attack from", which means your original position wouldn't count since you haven't attacked from that side yet.

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I'll answer the following questions as if you had an ally with the teamwork feats adjacent/flanking

Zoin wrote:
2) He crits on his first attack. As he is his own ally, he provokes an attack of opportunity with Outflank. Does he gets an attack of opportunity from Seize the moment too ? (so basically 2 attacks of opportunity.)

You can't make more than one AoO for a given opportunity, but the two feats should be counted as separate triggers and result in two AoOs per (confirmed) critical hit.

I can see how some GMs would argue that the critical hit is the trigger, and not the feats, which would result in one AoO.

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Zoin wrote:
3) What happens if he crits on his attack of opportunity ? Does it provoke another attack of opportunity (from outflank and/or seize the moment) ?

Yes. Each critical hit is a separate trigger of AoOs.

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Zoin wrote:
4) For his second attack, he moves to an adjacent square. He's now flanking AND adjacent. He crits. So he gets an attack of opportunity (from outflank and/or seize the moment). Should he get another one from Paired opportunist ? (or 2 additional if he makes one from outflank and one from seize the moment, should he get 2 additional from Paired opportunist ?

Paired Opportunist does not allow you to get more than one AoO per triggering event. If you and an ally are both threatening an enemy who fires their bow, you will only get one AoO.

Paired Opportunist is made for situations where only your ally would normally gain AoOs, such as Outflank or Greater Bullrush.

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Zoin wrote:
5) He has a fortuitous weapon (enables a second attack of opportunity at -5). If he can trigger paired opportunist, does he triggers it once for his first attack, and a second for his second attack of opportunity (at -5).

Only one AoO per triggering event. Fortuitous is an exception to the rule, but that would not allow another ally to make another AoO.

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