Advice, cleric samsaran, adept magic (mirror image and lightning bolt)


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Hi to everyone and thanks for read this post asking for advice. My idea its to design a cleric (20 points buy) able to heal a bit and to be useful for the party in combat, without summoning.

I saw the Samsaran can learn spells from the adept list, including:

2nd Level: aid, animal trance, bear’s endurance, bull’s strength, cat’s grace, cure moderate wounds, darkness, delay poison, enemy’s heart (ARG), invisibility, mirror image, resist energy, scorching ray, see invisibility, tremor blast, web.

3rd Level: animate dead, bestow curse, contagion, continual flame, cure serious wounds, daylight, deeper darkness, lightning bolt, neutralize poison, remove curse, remove disease, tongues.

4th Level: cure critical wounds, minor creation, polymorph, restoration, stoneskin, wall of fire.

5th Level: baleful polymorph, break enchantment, commune, heal, major creation, raise dead, true seeing, wall of stone.

And I like a lot mirror image and lightning bolt, to protect it and to attack at long range (but I never built a blaster so I don't know how much metamagic feats will be need to be a useful spell). Would like your opinion about good builds based in this adept list.

About gods and domains, I am not sure at all. I think I have 2 options, go to growth and create a reach cleric, or go to madness and another one to be a bad touch cleric.

Thanks.


Still thinking on this build, its very really powerful for a mix of bad touch and controller.

Domain madness and another (chaos protean for more debuff?).
Samsaran spells: polimorph 4, heal 5, web 2 and mirror image 2.

20 pt buy:

14
12
14-2
8+2
16+2
10
At first level it fights with shield and morningstar. After first, delivering some touch debuffs in melee.
Feats: 1: heavy armor, 3: improved iniciative, 5: preferred spell web, 7: heighten spell web, 9: preferred spell polimorph.


Personally, I think you are making a mistake with Samsaran . The cleric list has plenty of spells to accomplish what you want to do without grabbing from another list. I'd prefer to be human and have another feat or get something with dark vision.

Web is a fine spell, but it isn't the only crowd control out there and it isn't so great that I'd feel the need to choose a race in order to get it and spend a feat to I could cast it spontaneously.

Heighten is a metamagic feat that you can apply to any spell, not just one that you choose when you take the feat. Generally speaking, it isn't a feat I often see taken, usually I can find an existing spell at a higher level that does the job better than a lower level spell with just higher DCs than normal.

Polymorph doesn't seem to fit your theme at all. What is your plan there? Why do you think you need a feat to cast it sponatneously?

You might also want to look into variant channeling. Some of the portfolios are pretty good at control.


Heighten spell is a prerequisite for preferred spell. With that in mind you can't take preferred spell at 5th and then heighten spell at 7th you'd have to swap those two feats.

Samsaran seems like a fun pick for a cleric, but I really don't have enough experience with clerics to know which spells to pick. Clerics generally have great buffs and some excelent touch-range debuffs, so something like lightning bolt might be nice, but I don't really know what you'd need to cover with your bonus spells.


Thanks for the replies. Really my idea its to think in a bad touch cleric more fun than the typical based in blindness and bestow curse. I don't find that concept fun. But after review the adept magic list I saw many interesting spells like mirror image, web, polymorph, lightning ray and I thought it was a good idea to built around them.

Polymorph and baleful polymorph seems fun touch spells, and this samsaran seems a crazy person so I like the mix. Web it seems a good area control for low levels. Mirror image looks wonderful for protect the cleric and be able to heal after the combat.

I am losing interest in lightning bolt but like I said I don't know very much about how to improve it.


You might want to go Guided Hand if you're trying to melee with those stats.

One option would be to use something like Separatist Cleric of Nethys (for Madness on Nethys), Guided Hand: Quarterstaff, and then take one Unchained Monk level. WIS to AC, attack, spellcasting and powers, and unchained Flurry of Blows to massively improve melee. Magic Vestment can enhance clothing.

Depending on deity and build, you could also consider using Guided Hand and Crusader's Flurry. Crusader Cleric grants free Focus, so you can have the whole mix working by 5.

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