paizo.com Recent Posts in Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?paizo.com Recent Posts in Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?2018-10-30T04:32:12Z2018-10-30T04:32:12ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Duiker (alias of Phaedre)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#432018-11-21T18:56:53Z2018-11-21T18:56:53Z<p>There will be but there wasn't.</p>There will be but there wasn't.Duiker (alias of Phaedre)2018-11-21T18:56:53ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?David knott 242https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#422018-11-21T18:30:15Z2018-11-21T18:30:15Z<p>Anything that prevents traveling into the Gap would be a safety measure, as the primary purpose of the Gap seems to be to prevent information from leaving it and reaching the post-Gap era.</p>
<p>I wouldn't see a problem with having an NPC use time travel to enter the Gap — and then said NPC is never heard from again.</p>Anything that prevents traveling into the Gap would be a safety measure, as the primary purpose of the Gap seems to be to prevent information from leaving it and reaching the post-Gap era.
I wouldn't see a problem with having an NPC use time travel to enter the Gap -- and then said NPC is never heard from again.David knott 2422018-11-21T18:30:15ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?RainOfSteelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#412018-11-21T16:14:28Z2018-11-21T16:14:28Z<p>I believe the entire Gap is time locked and also inaccessible by any other means. All attempts to travel into it fail: artifacts, dragons, aeons, inevitables, time-beings, gods, no one can get there, at least until the GM is ready for it to happen.</p>
<p>Either the gods know what happened and aren't telling or they don't know.</p>
<p>If they know, then I think that a) not telling is related to any revalation making matters worse, or b) they have told, but nobody can understand because it's information from inside the Gap, which the universe appears to be actively obscuring for most beings.</p>
<p>If they don't know, I think not telling is related to avoiding embarrassment over not knowing.</p>I believe the entire Gap is time locked and also inaccessible by any other means. All attempts to travel into it fail: artifacts, dragons, aeons, inevitables, time-beings, gods, no one can get there, at least until the GM is ready for it to happen.
Either the gods know what happened and aren't telling or they don't know.
If they know, then I think that a) not telling is related to any revalation making matters worse, or b) they have told, but nobody can understand because it's information...RainOfSteel2018-11-21T16:14:28ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#402018-11-13T21:07:57Z2018-11-13T00:26:25Z<p>People seem to forget you're not trying to sneak something past a contract or a badly worded wish spell you're trying to sneak something past hundreds of deities, who can react to what you're trying to do to do the thing they don't want you doing.</p>People seem to forget you're not trying to sneak something past a contract or a badly worded wish spell you're trying to sneak something past hundreds of deities, who can react to what you're trying to do to do the thing they don't want you doing.BigNorseWolf2018-11-13T00:26:25ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?The Sideromancerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#392018-11-12T23:39:58Z2018-11-12T23:39:58Z<p>you mean like <a href="http://aonprd.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Bythos" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this one?</a></p>you mean like this one?The Sideromancer2018-11-12T23:39:58ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Metaphysicianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#382018-11-12T21:13:12Z2018-11-12T21:13:12Z<p>I suspect there is a species of Aeon, possibly with a divine level lord ruling them, whose whole purpose is to prevent excessive abusive of the timestream.</p>I suspect there is a species of Aeon, possibly with a divine level lord ruling them, whose whole purpose is to prevent excessive abusive of the timestream.Metaphysician2018-11-12T21:13:12ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#372018-11-12T00:45:00Z2018-11-11T23:58:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">NorthernDruid wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So, what happens if you travel back to the gap, learn everything...</p>
<p>and then you travel further back to before the gap? </blockquote><p>I'd imagine its double endedNorthernDruid wrote:So, what happens if you travel back to the gap, learn everything...
and then you travel further back to before the gap?
I'd imagine its double endedBigNorseWolf2018-11-11T23:58:18ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?NorthernDruidhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#362018-11-11T23:06:44Z2018-11-11T23:06:44Z<p>So, what happens if you travel back to the gap, learn everything...</p>
<p>and then you travel further back to before the gap?</p>So, what happens if you travel back to the gap, learn everything...
and then you travel further back to before the gap?NorthernDruid2018-11-11T23:06:44ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Today (alias of captain yesterday)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#352018-11-10T12:58:26Z2018-11-10T12:58:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> They try it and the magic of 147 gods shoots them back before the gap or causes a timey whimey ball. </blockquote><p>[b]Whoo hoo! Party!! Now it's my turn to shine!!!
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc> Sprays thread with boxed wine.</span></p>BigNorseWolf wrote:They try it and the magic of 147 gods shoots them back before the gap or causes a timey whimey ball.
[b]Whoo hoo! Party!! Now it's my turn to shine!!! Sprays thread with boxed wine.Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Today (alias of captain yesterday)2018-11-10T12:58:26ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Arutemahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#342018-12-20T19:47:42Z2018-11-10T08:40:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pantshandshake wrote:</div><blockquote> Sounds like a time dragon would have to go all Memento on it, and tattoo all the information directly on itself. </blockquote><p>"Check it out, I got this cool tattoo that says something different every time you read it. Can't remember a thing about where or how I got it, though."Pantshandshake wrote:Sounds like a time dragon would have to go all Memento on it, and tattoo all the information directly on itself.
"Check it out, I got this cool tattoo that says something different every time you read it. Can't remember a thing about where or how I got it, though."Arutema2018-11-10T08:40:37ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#332018-11-10T08:34:09Z2018-11-10T08:34:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">FirstChAoS wrote:</div><blockquote> What if the magical and nonhuman creatures died and the continents rearranged themselves fighting Rovagug. In desperation the gods placed Golarion in an anti magic zone strong enough to render Rovagug harmless. Forgetting history due to the gap, the residents now call the rearranged Golarion by a new name, Earth. </blockquote><p>Earth exists in the golarion universe... somewhereFirstChAoS wrote:What if the magical and nonhuman creatures died and the continents rearranged themselves fighting Rovagug. In desperation the gods placed Golarion in an anti magic zone strong enough to render Rovagug harmless. Forgetting history due to the gap, the residents now call the rearranged Golarion by a new name, Earth.
Earth exists in the golarion universe... somewhereBigNorseWolf2018-11-10T08:34:09ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?FirstChAoShttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#322018-11-10T05:57:32Z2018-11-10T05:57:32Z<p>What if the magical and nonhuman creatures died and the continents rearranged themselves fighting Rovagug. In desperation the gods placed Golarion in an anti magic zone strong enough to render Rovagug harmless. Forgetting history due to the gap, the residents now call the rearranged Golarion by a new name, Earth.</p>What if the magical and nonhuman creatures died and the continents rearranged themselves fighting Rovagug. In desperation the gods placed Golarion in an anti magic zone strong enough to render Rovagug harmless. Forgetting history due to the gap, the residents now call the rearranged Golarion by a new name, Earth.FirstChAoS2018-11-10T05:57:32ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Pantshandshakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#312018-11-06T21:24:33Z2018-11-06T21:24:33Z<p>But literally and explicitly blowing places up is the best part of Starfinder.</p>But literally and explicitly blowing places up is the best part of Starfinder.Pantshandshake2018-11-06T21:24:33ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Metaphysicianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#302018-11-11T23:05:40Z2018-11-06T21:15:04Z<p>Its more complex than just that. If they included Golarion in the setting, it would logically dominate the setting, even if all Starfinder supplements focused on places elsewhere. By the Starfinder era, Golarion either is going to be Coruscant or its going to be a crater, and if its Coruscant its going to make everything revolve around it. The Gap is a way to avoid that, without having to literally and explicitly blow the place up.</p>Its more complex than just that. If they included Golarion in the setting, it would logically dominate the setting, even if all Starfinder supplements focused on places elsewhere. By the Starfinder era, Golarion either is going to be Coruscant or its going to be a crater, and if its Coruscant its going to make everything revolve around it. The Gap is a way to avoid that, without having to literally and explicitly blow the place up.Metaphysician2018-11-06T21:15:04ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?MER-c (alias of XBow Enthusiast)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#292018-11-06T01:28:29Z2018-11-06T01:28:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sauce987654321 wrote:</div><blockquote> I don't know about everyone else, but I thought this was just a nice and neat way of the devs saying "we don't want to do golarion stuff!" </blockquote><p>This. ^Sauce987654321 wrote:I don't know about everyone else, but I thought this was just a nice and neat way of the devs saying "we don't want to do golarion stuff!"
This. ^MER-c (alias of XBow Enthusiast)2018-11-06T01:28:29ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Sauce987654321https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#282018-11-21T17:29:03Z2018-11-05T21:24:31Z<p>I don't know about everyone else, but I thought this was just a nice and neat way of the devs saying "we don't want to do golarion stuff!"</p>I don't know about everyone else, but I thought this was just a nice and neat way of the devs saying "we don't want to do golarion stuff!"Sauce9876543212018-11-05T21:24:31ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Metaphysicianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#272018-11-05T21:17:17Z2018-11-05T21:17:17Z<p>True, we "know" that the gods ( or at least the highest ones ) seem to know what happened in the Gap. That could mean that others also know, but won't say. Obviously, the logistics of this silence being practical put certain upper limits on how many parties are aware. . . but note, its only been 300 years since the Gap ended. That is not, on a cosmic scale, a particularly long time to maintain a secret.</p>True, we "know" that the gods ( or at least the highest ones ) seem to know what happened in the Gap. That could mean that others also know, but won't say. Obviously, the logistics of this silence being practical put certain upper limits on how many parties are aware. . . but note, its only been 300 years since the Gap ended. That is not, on a cosmic scale, a particularly long time to maintain a secret.Metaphysician2018-11-05T21:17:17ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Kadasbrass Loreweaverhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#262018-11-21T22:56:42Z2018-11-04T16:37:00Z<p>Its possible Time Dragons know what happened in the Gap but are unable or unwilling to talk about it.</p>
<p>I'm convinced that the Gap was caused by Rovagug getting out, and some safety left on his lockbox activated splitting time and space into countless realities that gave the Gods a chance to save the universe while also splitting Rovagug's power into each parallel universe for them to battle a weaker version. The universe was saved because while Rovagug might have destroyed each planet he encounter, countless realities ensured but each world got spared at least once in each reality from that version of Rovagug choosing a different path of destruction. When Rovagug was finally defeated in each reality, the Gods went to merge them all back together but due to all the Ret-Con issues they had to purge several thousand years of history to make it work. (Bunch of inconsistencies from merging different versions of the same people and places back together some of which are different in different realities or missing entirely.</p>
<p>Golarion is still missing cause it being at the epicenter of Rovagug's break out, the gods are still trying to piece it back together from all the broken, phased out realities. They got all the pieces to make a whole Golarion from Rovagug breaking out different places but its alot harder trying to get none matching parts of a planet back together then it was replacing a whole missing world.</p>
<p>Truth be told we could still be in a Gap just not the first one so we're missing the first Gap but when Golarion comes back the Whole Gap will end and no one will have any idea what happened now.</p>
<p>The tides come and go but the Time Dragons paddle on as if nothing happened. That's awfully suspicious to me.</p>Its possible Time Dragons know what happened in the Gap but are unable or unwilling to talk about it.
I'm convinced that the Gap was caused by Rovagug getting out, and some safety left on his lockbox activated splitting time and space into countless realities that gave the Gods a chance to save the universe while also splitting Rovagug's power into each parallel universe for them to battle a weaker version. The universe was saved because while Rovagug might have destroyed each planet he...Kadasbrass Loreweaver2018-11-04T16:37:00ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Azalahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#252018-11-11T23:04:15Z2018-11-04T15:10:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">A Mite Excessive wrote:</div><blockquote> The Gap is the fallout of the 2e PF Rules destroying the world of Golarion. Finally, everything coalesces into the SF rules, and things are ok again. </blockquote><p>So, a period of time where even the gods want to forget it existed? I'm ok with this.A Mite Excessive wrote:The Gap is the fallout of the 2e PF Rules destroying the world of Golarion. Finally, everything coalesces into the SF rules, and things are ok again.
So, a period of time where even the gods want to forget it existed? I'm ok with this.Azalah2018-11-04T15:10:52ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?A Mite Excessive (alias of Devastation Bob)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#242018-11-05T21:38:10Z2018-11-04T14:52:35Z<p>The Gap is the fallout of the 2e PF Rules destroying the world of Golarion. Finally, everything coalesces into the SF rules, and things are ok again.</p>The Gap is the fallout of the 2e PF Rules destroying the world of Golarion. Finally, everything coalesces into the SF rules, and things are ok again.A Mite Excessive (alias of Devastation Bob)2018-11-04T14:52:35ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Rahodhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#232018-11-03T23:17:02Z2018-11-03T23:17:02Z<p>Well as we deal with it in our gaming group the gap has no time so time within the gap is non-existent which has the side effect messing with people heads as time is needed in a 3D space. So if a time dragon attempted to enter into the gap they would find it impossible as their powers do not exist in that time.</p>Well as we deal with it in our gaming group the gap has no time so time within the gap is non-existent which has the side effect messing with people heads as time is needed in a 3D space. So if a time dragon attempted to enter into the gap they would find it impossible as their powers do not exist in that time.Rahod2018-11-03T23:17:02ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#222018-11-21T22:53:10Z2018-11-03T04:14:40Z<p>Dragon appears next to one younger and 2 older versions of himself</p>
<p>Oldest version "3..2..1. Here we are. Help Hold this duct tape." ziiIIiip "Ravagogs making a push and we're trying to keep him in. Also I know you're not going to listen to me but I have to try, NEVER play poker with a Ysoki that can hold 19 decks of cards in their cheekpouches. "</p>Dragon appears next to one younger and 2 older versions of himself
Oldest version "3..2..1. Here we are. Help Hold this duct tape." ziiIIiip "Ravagogs making a push and we're trying to keep him in. Also I know you're not going to listen to me but I have to try, NEVER play poker with a Ysoki that can hold 19 decks of cards in their cheekpouches. "BigNorseWolf2018-11-03T04:14:40ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Azalahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#212018-11-02T20:07:51Z2018-11-02T20:07:51Z<p>Nobody tell the dragon to look between his hind legs. Ouch...</p>Nobody tell the dragon to look between his hind legs. Ouch...Azalah2018-11-02T20:07:51ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?Pantshandshakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#202018-11-21T22:55:27Z2018-11-02T18:21:46Z<p>Hey, that's a fine, fine tattoo.</p>Hey, that's a fine, fine tattoo.Pantshandshake2018-11-02T18:21:46ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Are there any time dragons left in the time of Starfinder?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ci5?Are-there-any-time-dragons-left-in-the-time#192018-11-21T22:55:23Z2018-11-02T17:52:26Z<p>Your tongue tattoo now reads "insert cake here"</p>Your tongue tattoo now reads "insert cake here"BigNorseWolf2018-11-02T17:52:26Z