Chilling Adventures of Sabrina


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Anyone watching this? So far the first two episodes have been pretty good. A good set of actors, a decent amount of horror and occult inspiration, and also kind of fun.

Also it probably has the best depiction of what an Asmodean priest would probably be like.


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I'll probably start watching this week.

It's on both my list and my daughter's, she's on a bit of a Riverdale kick right now though.


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I maeathoned it holy s!+~ it was good.

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We watched episodes 1-3 last night. Wife thought it was too slow for her. I enjoyed it.


It is slow, but I would prefer too slow to too fast.

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I watched it all this weekend. I fast forwarded through some of the scarier parts though. I loved the show from the late 90's and was pleased that it had so many little nods to the original. I do wish there had been more Salem involvement though, I missed his antics being plot hooks and his begrudging assistance.


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Ye, neat!

But awww, lack of Salem makes me sad.


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Everything I have heard about Riverdale made me suspicious, but I gave it a shot and I like it.

Definitely getting a Cain and Abel vibe from the Hilda and Zelda... In the Niel Gaiman kind of way.

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The NPC wrote:

Everything I have heard about Riverdale made me suspicious, but I gave it a shot and I like it.

Definitely getting a Cain and Abel vibe from the Hilda and Zelda... In the Niel Gaiman kind of way.

Makes a lot of sense as they have the grave with the dirt from Cain's grave in their [grave]yard.


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I finished it. So its kind of weird that Satan is supposed to be all about freedom but man if his church didn't have a ton of rules that copied a lot of medieval christian churches.

Also little sad Salem didn't talk.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
I finished it. So its kind of weird that Satan is supposed to be all about freedom but man if his church didn't have a ton of rules that copied a lot of medieval christian churches.

I imagine that is intentional.


The NPC wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
I finished it. So its kind of weird that Satan is supposed to be all about freedom but man if his church didn't have a ton of rules that copied a lot of medieval christian churches.
I imagine that is intentional.

I kind of wondered about that. I've heard it said before that figure of Satan likes to copy the christian god and make his own version of gods creations so I kind of thought that might be the way they were approaching it.

Oh I just reminded myself of this. There was that whole line of if a witch chooses to serve Satan she won't automatically go to hell. I'm like.... You know I'm no expert but that sounds like something someone that wants you to go to hell would say.

one last thing I don't think there would be any way this show would of been allowed on TV even as short as 10-15 years ago. I'm kind of surprised I haven't heard of any mothers group or something trying to get it removed.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
The NPC wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
I finished it. So its kind of weird that Satan is supposed to be all about freedom but man if his church didn't have a ton of rules that copied a lot of medieval christian churches.
I imagine that is intentional.

I kind of wondered about that. I've heard it said before that figure of Satan likes to copy the christian god and make his own version of gods creations so I kind of thought that might be the way they were approaching it.

Oh I just reminded myself of this. There was that whole line of if a witch chooses to serve Satan she won't automatically go to hell. I'm like.... You know I'm no expert but that sounds like something someone that wants you to go to hell would say.

one last thing I don't think there would be any way this show would of been allowed on TV even as short as 10-15 years ago. I'm kind of surprised I haven't heard of any mothers group or something trying to get it removed.

indeed. The world has changed.

Also, satan his church are shown in a very poor light here.


The actual satanist church is way different form the one depicted here but from what I understand they can vary greatly.


To me the Church of Night and the Darklord seem to be symbolism touching on the themes of Hypocrisy and Abuse of Power.


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To me the Church of Night and the Darklord seem to be symbolism touching on the themes of Hypocrisy and Abuse of Power.

Yeah I could see that. There is a lot of symbolism going on that is for sure.

The real odd thing is it kind of verifies everything the puritans thought about witches. There are witches they do consort with Satan and cast spells. Probably doesn't justify hanging them but pretty much all the things the myths about them are verified.

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When I first started watching it seemed like the Church of Night was another name for the entire Satanic Church, but my impression as the season went on was that that was just the name of the particular church location that the Spellmans have been a part of. I like to think in the Sabrina universe there are equivalent sects of Satanism in the way there are Catholics, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, etc. and then further divisions and branches in each little offshoot. The growing pains of going from more strict traditionalists to more modern sensibilities and churches splitting and forming new branches is one that has been played out over and over in the evolution of the (Christian) church and its fascinating to consider this theme as applied to the Satanic church. Particularly, the sacrificial Freya thing as there have been a number of splits and rifts in the Christian church over communion, whether it is okay to use bread or wafers, juice or wine, who can participate, does the bread and wine literally turn into the body and blood of Christ, etc.

Also, if the witches hadn't been outcast and ostracized, would they have deviated from mortal morality and ethics as much? If they're allowed to be part of the community, there's going to be strong social pressure against things like cannibalism.


I agree I think there is a lot of interesting dynamics going on. I would like to see them explored a bit more.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Also little sad Salem didn't talk.

This is a dealbreaker for me.


Rysky wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Also little sad Salem didn't talk.
This is a dealbreaker for me.

he talks to sabrina. Noone else can understand him, save in one episode.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Also little sad Salem didn't talk.
This is a dealbreaker for me.

he talks to sabrina. Noone else can understand him, save in one episode.

Oooo!!!


I am also not sure where this series wants us to be, sympathy-wise. Or if they aren't going for the "Heroine is right, don't sweat the implications" route.
So Zelda and Hilda have been happy Church of Night ladies for a few hundred years - inlcuding all the cannibalism and wanton murder of muggles. And Sabrinas act of Rebellion stops at "You wouldn't have eaten me, right?" That's some serious hypocrisy right there, my Lady.
And I have a hard time with her friends just being a-ok with her witchiness. These girls just learned that
a) Magic is real
b) witches actually do curse generations of women with blindness for petty crap
c) our friend can raise the dead AND caused her boyfriend to rekill his brother (lets forget about four other innocents that weren't her close friends, so blah)

Sorry, but sign me up for team Witch Hunter.

I very much liked Madam Satan (even though that is a stupid Name for Lilith), but Geoffrey from Coupling is the most unthreatening High Priest of Satan I've ever seen. And for someone that can reintroduce cannibalism in his church, why the hell doesn't he just reinstate polygamy?

But Overall wife and me had fun, the visuals are interesting (modern sixties aestethics?) and there are some very progressive roles (transgender, homosexuality, POC are all present). Looking Forward for what the do on Christmas after all the fun they have at Thanksgiving ;)


I think hypocrisy is kind of the point though.

Also, it is shown that Hilda is not a happy member of the Church of Night.


True - at least her casual murder/resurrection trick came back to bite her. Still, they are playing a strange act here with Sabrina being the good Girl while basically doing nothing against multiple murders, straight up cannibalism and so on. I am always wary of protagonists that don't even think about breaking the masquerade after seeing all the harm it does.
It's not like these witches live peaceful lives hidden away from humans that wrongfully persecute them.
Ist nice that Sabrina wants to take down Satan by herself, but...

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